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LBD "Nytetrayn"

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I don't hate it, but for reasons mentioned (not least of which being the price), I think I'll wait and see if they do better for something more mainline.

Interesting that the smaller robot has the American version's red eyes, though.

I do appreciate that it looks like fully arming the battle station mode doesn't disarm the small robot and vice-versa here.
 

Donocropolis

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Ginrai's super mode arms actually did integrate into the trailer (or at least fold to fit its shape better) in animation.
(This site won't let pictures embed: https://rq87.flyingomelette.com/RQ/C/MF/14/14.html )

So that's certainly not the reason they inexplicably stick up higher than on the G1 toy.

Yeah, the cartoon definitely had a much better looking trailer mode. Some very odd decisions all the way around the this design.

Also, before clicking your link, I never knew that Ginrai was drawn 100% accurate to the toy, with the real truck front on his back and the fake truck torso being a canonical fake truck torso! I kind of love it.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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Could have swappable eye parts, for red or blue.

Or they'll just release an "anime colors" version with blue eyes later to milk the mold for another run.
 

Princess Viola

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I mean, they're already releasing the toy in two versions: the toy deco MP-60 and the anime deco MPG-09 with the trailer.

They're already milking the damn mold before it's even come out (or officially announced) and they're doing it in the worst way because they want you to buy both versions if you want a toy-accurate Super Ginrai MP lol.
 

CoffeeHorse

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I mean, they're already releasing the toy in two versions: the toy deco MP-60 and the anime deco MPG-09 with the trailer.

They're already milking the damn mold before it's even come out (or officially announced) and they're doing it in the worst way because they want you to buy both versions if you want a toy-accurate Super Ginrai MP lol.

Yup. If we want a toy version, we have to buy both, and have a leftover anime cab. Now imagine the guy who wants toy and anime trailers. That guy has to buy three versions, and still ends up with a leftover cab.

I wouldn't buy this if I were a billionaire. Hug Takara for doing it this way.
 

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Yup. If we want a toy version, we have to buy both, and have a leftover anime cab. Now imagine the guy who wants toy and anime trailers. That guy has to buy three versions, and still ends up with a leftover cab.

I wouldn't buy this if I were a billionaire. Hug Takara for doing it this way.

I don't see the point of Ginrai/PMOP without a trailer anyways; like regular Prime sure. But the main part of the appeal with them IS the trailer's super mode.
 

Princess Viola

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Yup. If we want a toy version, we have to buy both, and have a leftover anime cab. Now imagine the guy who wants toy and anime trailers. That guy has to buy three versions, and still ends up with a leftover cab.

I wouldn't buy this if I were a billionaire. Hug Takara for doing it this way.
Transformers is a dying franchise in Japan, so Takara has to try and milk the fans it has over there for as much money as they can.
 

Princess Viola

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honestly nah i think it's mostly a combination of sentient mecha like transformers not being as popular as piloted mecha + takara having other franchises like shinkalion which serve as their 'kid-aimed mecha franchises' these days

the result is you just get something that, while takara doesn't completely ignore the kid market (if they did, they wouldn't bring over the kid-aimed cartoon tie-in toylines and the shows wouldn't air in japan), it's clear that their focus is collectors (but of course how do you get new collectors if you're not getting the kids hooked into the franchise when they're young so they wanna buy these things as adults)
 

CoffeeHorse

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I wonder why piloted mecha are so much more popular than sentient mecha over there, while here it seems to be the opposite.
 

Sabrblade

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I wonder why piloted mecha are so much more popular than sentient mecha over there, while here it seems to be the opposite.
It's probably something as ingrained in the minds and traditions of Japan as the stigmatic belief of "animation is primarily for children" that runs just as deep in the U.S.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Maybe they find piloted mecha more aspirational.

That's just cause the red eyes are on the toy deco-based MP-60 release and that's the color eyes the toy had for both the US and Japanese versions of the figure.

Oh, huh. I could have sworn the Japanese toys I'd seen had blue eyes, while the American had red.
 

lastmaximal

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Maybe they find piloted mecha more aspirational.
This is my guess. That, or this is their preferred framework for human crossovers with technology -- rather than humanize or anthropomorphize the technology (and give them human emotional struggles and stakes), the focus remains on the actual people and the tech is more an aesthetic thing or a (pardon the pun) vehicle to tell the story. Like, say, Cars vs. Driven. Less metaphorical and more directly about the people and their human conflicts.

It's pretty interesting how they've largely stuck to that pattern since, what, Mazinger Z? Anime and sentai shows alike have been very much about the people, with the mecha mostly being the gimmick (certainly the focus in some ways, but not in a character sense generally).
 

Sabrblade

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Stereotypically, it is easier for children to accept and sympathize with non-living things that are presented as alive in an anthropomorphic way, whereas these more cynical adult mind tends to prefer things that are more grounded in human reality.
 

lastmaximal

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Eh, whether it comes from stereotypes or not, I don't really agree. It's just as easy to say that a kid can relate to a fellow human more directly than something that behaves like one.

Even the US Transformers series introduced human POV characters despite already having kid-appeal characters in the main robot cast. This was a convention pretty much every series of the era also used, but the fact that kids were still given that IN the series where they could also relate directly to the anthropomorphized robots says a lot.

There's something to LBD Nyetrayn's idea that the piloting thing may be more aspirational in the culture or maybe even in general -- rather than just "relate" to them, kids can want to be or become them, having these cool vehicles and mecha at their disposal. (Both are valid ways of connecting to these properties, of course.) Like wanting to become a race car driver or construction crane operator or astronaut. I'm not about to draw assumed connections between the appeal of one or the other and degrees of maturity.

It's pretty interesting how once Takara had more of the storytelling role for G1 animation, it didn't take long before the series started incorporating that approach, from the Headmasters being pilots to having human/oid pilot partners.
 
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