Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[Wheelimus]

Sorry that the Orange Tubby Leopard is eating ya'lls faces Axaday.

 

[Anonymous X]

Reminds me of all the trade unions here that told their membership to vote for Brexit…

 

[Dekafox]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/cia-offers-buyouts-entire-workforce-align-with-trump-priorities-wsj-reports-2025-02-05/

 

[Pocket]

A lot of people with expert training on how to instigate a coup just got fired by the world's most unpopular leader. What could go wrong?

 

[Ironbite4]

He's...pissing off the world's most incompetent spy force for...reasons.

Ironbite-oh this is just great.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

The reason is they didn't back HIS coup. Er, the last one.

 

[Axaday]

We may get a little overexcited when legal experts say what Trump is doing is illegal. The courts said Biden's student loan program was illegal, but he wasn't brought up on charges and Congress didn't try to impeach him. He just couldn't go forward with it. That may be the worst Trump gets for any of this.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Stopping him would be nice as well, cause we already know von schitzinpants will never face consequences.

But trump has already stated he intends to ignore the DOJ, and we already know he's going to abuse the immunity the supreme court gave him.

 

[Axaday]

It is really unclear how the immunity works. He can't be prosecuted for official acts, but what happens if he keeps doing them when told to stop? Is that still just Congress' problem? Or do underlings expose themselves to prosecution?

 

[Ungnome]

He can't be prosecuted is my understanding, so it would be up to Congress. Once he's out of office he CAN be prosecuted for anything not considered an official act, which I'm sure they can find things if they really look. The man can't help but to lie and cheat.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

It's deliberately vague so they can give any answers they want.

 

[Axaday]

So what stopped Biden from forgiving student loans? Just lack of will? There isn't even any mechanism that needs controlled. The people just stop paying them and you don't do anything about it.

Is it a criminal act to not pay your student loan? He could've just pardoned them.

 

[Dekafox]

Two things:
1) Respect for the "law" - he's not the type to just push through anyways with something if the courts say no, as he still believed in the system
2) If he just directs it not to be enforced, that doesn't stop the next president from reversing that, and then also going after all the back payments everyone would have not paid.

 

[Cybersnark]

do underlings expose themselves to prosecution?

Trump can just pardon anyone useful.

Which means that his supporters, once they've done something illegal (and he has leverage), will need him to stay in power to protect them, so they'll support his eventual executive order to become President-For-Life.

 

[Dekafox]

So all those employee buyouts?

Judge temporarily blocks Trump plan offering incentives for federal workers to resign

A judge has blocked President Donald Trump’s plan to push out federal employees by offering them financial incentives.

apnews.com

"...there were too many red flags, such as a clause waiving the right to sue if the government failed to honor its side of the deal."

So yeah, you'd be bound by it on your side, but you'd have no recourse if the government did nothing. That's not a contract, that's simply a way to fire people while making it look like they quit.


Also:

Trump’s FCC chair investigates NPR and PBS, urges Congress to defund them

Brendan Carr described as “Trump’s Censorship Czar” as he launches media probes.

arstechnica.com

 

[G.B.Blackrock]

It is really unclear how the immunity works. He can't be prosecuted for official acts, but what happens if he keeps doing them when told to stop? Is that still just Congress' problem? Or do underlings expose themselves to prosecution?

He can't be prosecuted is my understanding, so it would be up to Congress. Once he's out of office he CAN be prosecuted for anything not considered an official act, which I'm sure they can find things if they really look. The man can't help but to lie and cheat.

Seems to me there's a strong argument to say that "if he keeps doing them when told to stop" by the courts, those actions can no longer be "official acts."

 

[wonko the sane?]

Depends on whom you're arguing with. A sane and reasonable person would tend to agree, while the cultists would would threaten your life and claim trumps bowel movements are official acts.

So the argument is entirely contigent on who gets the final say. Probably congress. Yeah, great.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Or they can just keep circling the argument forever. So they can keep kissing the orange ring while also claiming that, well, they tried. (And somehow it's also Biden's/Obama's/the Denocrats'/DEI's/other scapegoat of choice's fault, of course.)

 

[G.B.Blackrock]

Depends on whom you're arguing with. A sane and reasonable person would tend to agree, while the cultists would would threaten your life and claim trumps bowel movements are official acts.

So the argument is entirely contigent on who gets the final say. Probably congress. Yeah, great.

If you're looking for impeachment, it's congress. I was simply talking about legality. That's for the courts to determine. If he keeps doing things they say he can't, they can also say "you're not immune."

 

[wonko the sane?]

Does it really matter which lackey gets assigned to determine culpability? Cause any way around: congress, senate, the supreme court; it's controlled by republicans. They were gonna march out some lying fuckwit to scream at the camera until media normalizes it.