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Pocket

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Considering how many Iraqis turned out to be fiercely loyal to their leader after we deposed and then killed him, and willing to dedicate the next decade of their lives to making life hell for his replacements afterward, I doubt Trump's death will stop the mob at all.
 

wonko the sane?

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Yeah, but they'll also be without someone who can give them orders. They can love and worship him all they ******* well want: he won't be able to direct them when he's dead.
 

KidTDragon

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Still feels too small.
 

Steevy Maximus

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CoffeeHorse

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This is long, but essential viewing.


Ezra Klein: "I want to say something because it's very important I say this. This is the Biden Administration's process for its own bill. They wanted this to happen. This is how liberal government works now."
Jon Stewart: "This is something they instituted for this bill."
Ezra Klein: "For their bill."
Jon Stewart: "They wanted this."
Ezra Klein: "It's so important to say this. This is not how Republicans handicapped a liberal bill. This is a bill passed by Democrats with a regulatory structure written by a Democratic administration."
 

wonko the sane?

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If newsom negotiates trade deals around US federal restrictions... what's keeping california in the union?
 

Wheelimus

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If newsom negotiates trade deals around US federal restrictions... what's keeping california in the union?

The knowledge that without California's Electoral College votes Democrats would never win a Presidential election again?
 

wonko the sane?

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The knowledge that without California's Electoral College votes Democrats would never win a Presidential election again?
Okay... so what does california care? 5th biggest economy in the world, and the US crashes even harder without them. What incentive do they have to stay?
 

Fullstrength Motleypuss

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The knowledge that without California's Electoral College votes Democrats would never win a Presidential election again?
So there's every reason for Trump to try to kick them out? We really shouldn't be giving Trump any ideas.
 

Pocket

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If newsom negotiates trade deals around US federal restrictions... what's keeping california in the union?
A better question is how could Newsom get away with this without leaving the union first? Overriding federal taxes is one thing I know for sure states are not allowed to do and never have been.

I'm betting this is just a publicity stunt to garner support for a 2028 presidential run. And it's not a bad one, really. I've been saying ever since 2017 that Trump benefited hugely from being constantly in the news during the Obama years, even before he announced he was running, and that the smartest thing a Democrat wanting to run against him could do was spend his entire administration building a reputation as one of his toughest critics. Too many times we get a slate of candidates that nobody outside of their constituency has even heard of, and have no reason to vote for except their party affiliation—which only matters after the primaries anyway.
 
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CoffeeHorse

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Democrats need more than just a critic. The 2028 message can't just be "Trump broke it, but I'll fix it the way it was." There has to be a message to people who viewed things as already broken.

A major mistake Democrats made in 2024 was the messaging of "Inflation is actually down, you know." It was true, but if someone already couldn't afford groceries, it wasn't a consolation to hear that prices are still going up but not by as much. It sounded too much like "We're not even going to try to fix it. It's already fixed."

I give Kamala some credit for correctly pointing out corporate price gouging, but then the donors freaked out and she went quiet.
 


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