Harris-Walz / Dems

[Axaday]

Senate Democrats are risking a shutdown protesting DOGE. Their heart is in the right place, but not their brains. I am guessing they will pass it in time and are just hitting the brakes so they can talk about it, but it does ring pretty true when Mike Johnson steps to the camera and says these same Democrats berated Republicans last year for risking a shutdown. (The reverse is true too, of course!)

They always talk about who will get blamed for a shutdown and I am rarely confident what the public will say. But if the Democrats think Trump is afraid to risk a shutdown, they need to think again. He's doing a shutdown whether they cooperate or not.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Even if the democrats simply don't participate: it's going to shut down anyway. Republicans can't agree on what goes into the continuing resolution, and it's dividing the vote internally. They need democrats to vote for it to pass it.

No matter what happens: A horrific continuing resolution (not even a budget, a CR.) is going to pass eventually, and americans will learn which democrats absolutely need to be primaried.

 

[Dekafox]

A shutdown might actually be best case, because if operations are paused, DOGE can't wreck things further, and ti gives the courts time to do their thing. (And even under shutdown, essential services will continue to work IIRC). Especially considering R Congresscritters are trying to sneak things in like abrogating their oversight over tarriffs.

 

[Rhinox]

Senate Democrats are risking a shutdown protesting DOGE. Their heart is in the right place, but not their brains. I am guessing they will pass it in time and are just hitting the brakes so they can talk about it, but it does ring pretty true when Mike Johnson steps to the camera and says these same Democrats berated Republicans last year for risking a shutdown. (The reverse is true too, of course!)

They always talk about who will get blamed for a shutdown and I am rarely confident what the public will say. But if the Democrats think Trump is afraid to risk a shutdown, they need to think again. He's doing a shutdown whether they cooperate or not.

I take issue with your initial statement. The GOP holds majorities in both sides of Congress and they hold the presidency. The democrats aren't risking one damn thing. If the GOP can't rally their votes, that is their problem, not the democrats. They (and you) don't get to hang any shutdown around the necks of the democrats because the GOP literally cannot figure out how to actually govern.

Seriously, I've seen similar statements in the news and it is infuriating. Republicans have the bloody majority. How is any shutdown the fault of democrats? They don't owe the GOP their cooperation. Especially when Trump is destroying the bedrock of american governance.

 

[Axaday]

I take issue with your initial statement. The GOP holds majorities in both sides of Congress and they hold the presidency. The democrats aren't risking one damn thing. If the GOP can't rally their votes, that is their problem, not the democrats. They (and you) don't get to hang any shutdown around the necks of the democrats because the GOP literally cannot figure out how to actually govern.

Seriously, I've seen similar statements in the news and it is infuriating. Republicans have the bloody majority. How is any shutdown the fault of democrats? They don't owe the GOP their cooperation. Especially when Trump is destroying the bedrock of american governance.

The GOP does have the majority in the Senate, but that isn't what they need. They need 60 votes to pass this.

 

[wonko the sane?]

It's the democrats fault because they won't help the people destroying the country and its economy by passing a continuing resolution which will help destroy the country and its economy.

Obviously.

 

[Axaday]

I don't know if that is meant to be "at" me. These things are tough. If there is a shutdown and people are feeling some pain, they want to know whose fault it is. It is ALWAYS because the parties disagree and think the other is being unreasonable, but what does the public think? When that question is easy to answer a shutdown doesn't happen. The Democrats' message on this is harder than the Republicans', I think, because they are attacking obliquely. They aren't holding out because of what the continuing resolution itself does. Not passing the continuing resolution doesn't accomplish their objective. If they stand their ground and let the government shut down, it is really hard to go on TV and say it is because the Republicans were going to shut down part of the government and they want to prevent that. It is a lot easier for the Republicans to go on TV and say they were going to shut down some things that they don't think need to be done, but they certainly didn't want to shut down the entire government. I think if the Democrats draw a line in the sand here they will regret it. So I hope they are just drawing it out for maximum exposure. There will be much better places to draw lines.

 

[Axaday]

It feels, at least on my corner of social media, like the Democrats might be trying to overplay a hand when they should be more focused. Trump is doing 6 Things:

1) Golfing
2) Pushing common Republican issues
3) Pushing more uncommon issues more than usual
4) Breaking norms
5) Betraying America values
6) Breaking laws

He's allowed to do 4 to 5 of those things. Democrats are acting like he is only allowed 1 to 2 of those. I wish the Democrats would gather their strength to fight him on #5. People get hurt everywhere after 1, but 5 is where the most, longest-term damage will be done.