Yes, and it's the most interesting thing in the whole film. Oops. <j/k>
But yes, there is one.
Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantamania
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Yes, and it's the most interesting thing in the whole film. Oops. <j/k>
But yes, there is one.
I looked up. Argh, I really shouldn't have left but my date wanted to go.
I'm looking at reviews and people like Majors as Kang? I was thinking he wasn't as cool as Thanos and his green made me want Dr Doom.
I'm looking at reviews and people like Majors as Kang? I was thinking he wasn't as cool as Thanos and his green made me want Dr Doom.
Ok, I get he's not as cool as Thanos...yet. But Thanos was built up movie upon movie for years before he even featured in one. I won't deny Majors as Kang isn't super strong here, but we already know this won't be the last we see of him. This is what the second time a version has been featured in an MCU project. And with the future Avengers title and other projects already hinting he will be built up more later. I'm personally still holding out hope for a Young Avengers to form around Iron Lad before the end of the announced phases projects.
But I would like to see a good attempt at Doom for sure. Personally I'm still disappointed there wasn't any Latverian involvement in Wakanda Forever. But for the story I'm glad it was Kang and not Doom here. Sure Victor is known for Super Science and this would be up that alley, but I want to see Doom cross paths with Kang first, and then take Kang's tech for his own. Sadly I don't really see Doom being involved with the rest of Phase 5 in a major way. Perhaps he could be set up as Latveria's ruler in Captain America: New World Order whatever happens with that...
But I would like to see a good attempt at Doom for sure. Personally I'm still disappointed there wasn't any Latverian involvement in Wakanda Forever. But for the story I'm glad it was Kang and not Doom here. Sure Victor is known for Super Science and this would be up that alley, but I want to see Doom cross paths with Kang first, and then take Kang's tech for his own. Sadly I don't really see Doom being involved with the rest of Phase 5 in a major way. Perhaps he could be set up as Latveria's ruler in Captain America: New World Order whatever happens with that...
Can't have Doom without an FF movie out first, yeah. But I concede that there could be a Kang variant that would be as cool as Thanos (but under what name?).
I read some issues with the Micronauts guest starring (Peter David Captain Marvel) but I don't know any of their names except for Bug.
I could look it up but were they referenced? Are holes guy, laser face, mind reader and leader lady anybody in the comics? Also that bar guest star? Laser face was particularly cool.
I read some issues with the Micronauts guest starring (Peter David Captain Marvel) but I don't know any of their names except for Bug.
I could look it up but were they referenced? Are holes guy, laser face, mind reader and leader lady anybody in the comics? Also that bar guest star? Laser face was particularly cool.
Haven’t seen anything yet, but it SOUNDS like a Loki Season 2 preview, ie, footage from Loki not a specific post-credits scene.
Yeah. very minor teaser for Loki Season 2
Anyways saw it. My thoughts.
Anyways saw it. My thoughts.
This is more my thoughts on the characters because the story felt kinda.. less interesting and worth talking about than the characters themselves.
Kang seems... Less scary and intimidating here than his varient did as "He who remains" in Loki. He def is more violent but also seems to be kinda stupider. He never really does a good job explaining why he has to prune other timelines. I suppose they never would have been something he could say to justify it to the Langs and Pyms but didn't feel like he really tried. Why he decided to be a brutish dictatator in the quantum realm also didn't really seem to be established. Sure he wanted Janet back but he didn't need an army for that. He apparently didn't need an army to destroy the other timelines either although they don't really give us a real look at him doing any of that stuff. Remember when Villians showed you why they were scary rather than just having some exposition dropped about it? Good times. Really don't get why he didn't just bring Cassie to Scott either, already established he could open portals and seems like it could have avoided him some amount of trouble? I guess so conflict could happen.
Darr-er I mean MODOK. Okay so haha very clever. Darren got sent to the quantum realm with a broken regulator and it meant his body came out wrongly sized in places. Neverminding how this would almost certainly mean instant death considering you know.. the much smaller heart and lungs needing to feed the much bigger brain it kinda.. Also makes the plot of this movie make no sense? Kang needs Janet or anyone with pym particles to fix his machine. Darren, busted suit or no, either HAS equvilient tech on him or knows how to make it. Like his involvment in this movie seems to be a huge plothole. The effect on him is... well the Sharkboy and Lavagirl comparisons have been made to death. They really had no idea what to do with him it seems like and I don't think anybody really cared or was asking what happened to Darren after Antman beat him. Kinda takes MODOK off the table as a for real villain and his abrupt change of heart and kinda jokey death just felt... weird.
Cassie. Apparently there is some controversy over her? They recasted her between Endgame and This movie and I guess it made some people mad. I honestly didn't even realize it was a different actress. Moviewise she seems to really just.. I mean shes there to give Scott something to fight for but on her own he B plot felt pretty weak. Like they kinda focus too much on MODOK vs Cassie and its like... there isn't much to work with there? They met once when she was 6. Woo.
Scott. Apparently Scott became a narcissist slacker after endgame and just doesn't do anything with the antman stuff anymore? Hes just riding the wave of endgame fame and also apparently spiderman fame to live the easy life. This both sorta makes sense but also doesn't? Sure he just wanted to be a father to his daughter and didn't plan on becoming a superhero along the way but hes also the dude who jumped at the opportunity to do something good twice even though it put his access to his daughter at risk. Why is he suddenly so apathetic? It doesn't really change any over the course of the movie either, even by the end hes just doing it for Cassie. Dissapointing
The other Pyms. Janet does the classic idiot hero thing and doesn't tell people important information and ends up causing the plot to happen. Hope has painfully little to do in the movie other than to support Scott a few times. Hank... hank really likes his ants. Also I feel like Hank forgets that ants can't be socialist because they are a colony of subservient drones following a queen. They have a benevolent dictatorship at best.
The actual plot? eh.. Its a story you could only do with antman characters but it feels like its way above antman characters paygrade. I guess thats the point? But it never really feels 'right' you know? Also the story kinda just... wraps up. Kang gets in a fist fight with scott because 31st century tech can't stop a ant zerg rush and then he gets shoved into a reactor core that... really shouldn't have killed him given what we saw of it before? Maybe didn't kill him? The story just kinda wraps up with Cassie able to make a portal immediately after the previous one closes despite not having any tech that should let her make it big enough or able to reach deep enough made up in the mean time. I enjoyed Scotts almost mental breakdown when he realizes he might have doomed the universe but he gets over it quickly enough. Kinda a crime there is no Luis in the movie, not even in a post credits scene. Council of Kangs looks way to goofy at times and less of a Council and more like.. a sports dome with roudy Kang fans who are also Kangs? Ironically the most threatening Kang of all comes in a post credits scene to tease Loki season 2. eh.
Kang seems... Less scary and intimidating here than his varient did as "He who remains" in Loki. He def is more violent but also seems to be kinda stupider. He never really does a good job explaining why he has to prune other timelines. I suppose they never would have been something he could say to justify it to the Langs and Pyms but didn't feel like he really tried. Why he decided to be a brutish dictatator in the quantum realm also didn't really seem to be established. Sure he wanted Janet back but he didn't need an army for that. He apparently didn't need an army to destroy the other timelines either although they don't really give us a real look at him doing any of that stuff. Remember when Villians showed you why they were scary rather than just having some exposition dropped about it? Good times. Really don't get why he didn't just bring Cassie to Scott either, already established he could open portals and seems like it could have avoided him some amount of trouble? I guess so conflict could happen.
Darr-er I mean MODOK. Okay so haha very clever. Darren got sent to the quantum realm with a broken regulator and it meant his body came out wrongly sized in places. Neverminding how this would almost certainly mean instant death considering you know.. the much smaller heart and lungs needing to feed the much bigger brain it kinda.. Also makes the plot of this movie make no sense? Kang needs Janet or anyone with pym particles to fix his machine. Darren, busted suit or no, either HAS equvilient tech on him or knows how to make it. Like his involvment in this movie seems to be a huge plothole. The effect on him is... well the Sharkboy and Lavagirl comparisons have been made to death. They really had no idea what to do with him it seems like and I don't think anybody really cared or was asking what happened to Darren after Antman beat him. Kinda takes MODOK off the table as a for real villain and his abrupt change of heart and kinda jokey death just felt... weird.
Cassie. Apparently there is some controversy over her? They recasted her between Endgame and This movie and I guess it made some people mad. I honestly didn't even realize it was a different actress. Moviewise she seems to really just.. I mean shes there to give Scott something to fight for but on her own he B plot felt pretty weak. Like they kinda focus too much on MODOK vs Cassie and its like... there isn't much to work with there? They met once when she was 6. Woo.
Scott. Apparently Scott became a narcissist slacker after endgame and just doesn't do anything with the antman stuff anymore? Hes just riding the wave of endgame fame and also apparently spiderman fame to live the easy life. This both sorta makes sense but also doesn't? Sure he just wanted to be a father to his daughter and didn't plan on becoming a superhero along the way but hes also the dude who jumped at the opportunity to do something good twice even though it put his access to his daughter at risk. Why is he suddenly so apathetic? It doesn't really change any over the course of the movie either, even by the end hes just doing it for Cassie. Dissapointing
The other Pyms. Janet does the classic idiot hero thing and doesn't tell people important information and ends up causing the plot to happen. Hope has painfully little to do in the movie other than to support Scott a few times. Hank... hank really likes his ants. Also I feel like Hank forgets that ants can't be socialist because they are a colony of subservient drones following a queen. They have a benevolent dictatorship at best.
The actual plot? eh.. Its a story you could only do with antman characters but it feels like its way above antman characters paygrade. I guess thats the point? But it never really feels 'right' you know? Also the story kinda just... wraps up. Kang gets in a fist fight with scott because 31st century tech can't stop a ant zerg rush and then he gets shoved into a reactor core that... really shouldn't have killed him given what we saw of it before? Maybe didn't kill him? The story just kinda wraps up with Cassie able to make a portal immediately after the previous one closes despite not having any tech that should let her make it big enough or able to reach deep enough made up in the mean time. I enjoyed Scotts almost mental breakdown when he realizes he might have doomed the universe but he gets over it quickly enough. Kinda a crime there is no Luis in the movie, not even in a post credits scene. Council of Kangs looks way to goofy at times and less of a Council and more like.. a sports dome with roudy Kang fans who are also Kangs? Ironically the most threatening Kang of all comes in a post credits scene to tease Loki season 2. eh.
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I didn't care for this movie. Which is a rarity among MCU movies. It was just okay at best. Johnathan Majors was mostly good in it, but after this I'm not sure how we are supposed to be worried too much with him as a threat.
I happened to watch Black Adam for the first time today, and thought that was a much better movie.
Ant Man and Wasp is the best of the three Ant Man films for me. Mainly because Ghost is cool and Wasp is finally in action.
Also, Cassie
Ant Man and Wasp is the best of the three Ant Man films for me. Mainly because Ghost is cool and Wasp is finally in action.
Also, Cassie
called Hank 'grandpa'. Is it a figurative thing or did Scott and Hope get married?
What's the Sharkboy and Lavagirl comparison? I didn't watch it.
I wondered about the grandpa bit too.
I spent a few minutes trying to look up the other Freedom Fighters. They're not Micronauts. Apparently only the leader lady is a comic reference (daughter of Jarella, Hulk's lover before or whatever).
That's disappointing. Not like the mind reader or the holes guy were super important anyway. Might as well make them comic references to somebody. Pre Psycho Man?
Articles keep glossing over the 'coolest' of the side characters Xolum, the cylinder crystal face whatever in a robot suit. He was pretty cool to look at. Took a while for me to just Google his name.
I wondered about the grandpa bit too.
I spent a few minutes trying to look up the other Freedom Fighters. They're not Micronauts. Apparently only the leader lady is a comic reference (daughter of Jarella, Hulk's lover before or whatever).
That's disappointing. Not like the mind reader or the holes guy were super important anyway. Might as well make them comic references to somebody. Pre Psycho Man?
Articles keep glossing over the 'coolest' of the side characters Xolum, the cylinder crystal face whatever in a robot suit. He was pretty cool to look at. Took a while for me to just Google his name.
Hahahaha! Thanks for that 
That was the best Micronauts film we could have gotten!
It was fine. But it seemed to suffer from what a LOT of recent Marvel films are suffering from: the need to “connect” to a larger plot. We’re going to be dealing with Kang for YEARS, so it felt like film was trying too hard to build him up instead of focusing on the family dynamic of the characters. Jonathan Major is an AMAZING Kang, don’t get me wrong. But if feels like a bit of a info dump for everyone who missed Loki as to the nature of time and variants.
I do the love the “dread or not dread” gag at the end of the film, though. Felt like even the filmmakers were acknowledging that the film was being forced into a larger narrative. And I’m sure somebody at Hasbro is watching this thinking “Man, if only we could have gotten Micronauts off the ground…”
Again, it’s a fine film, it’s enjoyable. It’s flawed, but you’ll have a fun time.
I do the love the “dread or not dread” gag at the end of the film, though. Felt like even the filmmakers were acknowledging that the film was being forced into a larger narrative. And I’m sure somebody at Hasbro is watching this thinking “Man, if only we could have gotten Micronauts off the ground…”
Again, it’s a fine film, it’s enjoyable. It’s flawed, but you’ll have a fun time.
Best review I have seen yet. The movie's biggest flaw is that it is a set-up film for everything coming down the line.
I found this Kang much scarier than He Who Remains. HWR was practically a good guy. One might say what he was doing was unnatural or something, but if he is preventing the whole multiverse from being destroyed and ensuring a timeline safe from Kang... Majors did a great job depicting a different person with the same face. This guy's violence was never far under the surface and just couldn't stand being challenged.
MODOK just didn't work for me. I saw an advance picture of him with the big Darren face and I assumed it was a gag. I understand it was supposed to be funny and sometimes it was, but for me it just didn't work. There was no need for him in the story.
I felt good about Scott. When he said it wasn't their fight, it was true. This was in a universe that they meant to leave and never return to without caution. It had no apparent way to spill into our world and the job was too big for them to tackle with what they had. A good soldier gets out of that situation. We are used to superheroes doing whatever it takes to the last drop, but this felt more natural to me. He knows they'd just be killing themselves for nothing. When it was to save Cassie, he's more willing to give it all he has, but it wouldn't have been enough without the ants showing up and he didn't know they were in store.
Janet is a real problem. While this explains the issue of why she aged and Scott didn't experience any time, Janet is essentially an old-school superhero. She knows this is down there and she knows Hank is a scientist. It is important AT THE VERY LEAST, to warn him that a terrible bad guy is trapped in the Quantum Realm and they need to avoid contact with him. If she weren't blipped, she surely would have brought it up when they were planning the time heist, right? Right?? They just have a throwaway, "I didn't know you were working on this" thing when there clearly should have been an "Oh by the way, NEVER work on this" at some point along the way. And someone who is away from their spouse for 30 years and then doesn't tell them about anything that happened in that time because "I just wanted to forget it" has a serious relationship problem.
So. The scope of Kang's threat is much greater than the scope of Thanos', but I don't want to think of it as ever escalating bad guys. It is just a matter of heroes that are present taking care of threats as they arise and Kang is just some variety. A different kind of threat. If my guess is right, they'll kill Timely in Loki Season 2 and wonder if they did the right thing because he will tell them that he was all that was standing in the way of the real threat and there'll be reason to wonder about it just like HWR and Exile Kang. I won't be surprised if the Fantastic Four kill a Kang too, precipitating an attack from many Kang's in Kang Dynasty.
MODOK just didn't work for me. I saw an advance picture of him with the big Darren face and I assumed it was a gag. I understand it was supposed to be funny and sometimes it was, but for me it just didn't work. There was no need for him in the story.
I felt good about Scott. When he said it wasn't their fight, it was true. This was in a universe that they meant to leave and never return to without caution. It had no apparent way to spill into our world and the job was too big for them to tackle with what they had. A good soldier gets out of that situation. We are used to superheroes doing whatever it takes to the last drop, but this felt more natural to me. He knows they'd just be killing themselves for nothing. When it was to save Cassie, he's more willing to give it all he has, but it wouldn't have been enough without the ants showing up and he didn't know they were in store.
Janet is a real problem. While this explains the issue of why she aged and Scott didn't experience any time, Janet is essentially an old-school superhero. She knows this is down there and she knows Hank is a scientist. It is important AT THE VERY LEAST, to warn him that a terrible bad guy is trapped in the Quantum Realm and they need to avoid contact with him. If she weren't blipped, she surely would have brought it up when they were planning the time heist, right? Right?? They just have a throwaway, "I didn't know you were working on this" thing when there clearly should have been an "Oh by the way, NEVER work on this" at some point along the way. And someone who is away from their spouse for 30 years and then doesn't tell them about anything that happened in that time because "I just wanted to forget it" has a serious relationship problem.
So. The scope of Kang's threat is much greater than the scope of Thanos', but I don't want to think of it as ever escalating bad guys. It is just a matter of heroes that are present taking care of threats as they arise and Kang is just some variety. A different kind of threat. If my guess is right, they'll kill Timely in Loki Season 2 and wonder if they did the right thing because he will tell them that he was all that was standing in the way of the real threat and there'll be reason to wonder about it just like HWR and Exile Kang. I won't be surprised if the Fantastic Four kill a Kang too, precipitating an attack from many Kang's in Kang Dynasty.
Just got back from seeing it. I'm not gonna pretend that it's the best thing Marvel's done - it's not. But I enjoyed it, and I think it's a fair start for Phase Five. Might've worked better as the last film for Phase Four, though.
I saw the border between Phase 3 and 4. That's the only one I ever noticed.
So, it was an enjoyable movie. But, even years after reading Twisted Toyfare Theater, I just have a hard time taking Kang seriously as a Big Bad, and this version sporting a more classic look than HWR didn't help that; I kept picturing him stuck on the end of The Thing's foot, or getting his head blown off by The Punisher with a Hostees (exploding) Fruit Pie, and the menace the character should have just evaporates. I know that's a pretty niche nitpick with the MCU phase 5 direction, but what can I say?
It was still a fun movie, and I wish we could see more of the ants.
It was still a fun movie, and I wish we could see more of the ants.
this was meant to be the end of p4 but now it's been rejiggered to be the start of p5... wasn't as bad as people were leading me to believe, but the plotholes and world-building were ridiculous. Kang was fine.... kinda wish we'd have had some sort of Annihilus hint, since this 'quantum realm' is basically a mashup of like several made up marvel places