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Anonymous X

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Yeah, former party – Corbyn’s essentially expelled from Labour, and allegedly planning to compete directly against a Labour candidate at the next general election. Corbyn is such electoral poison that the party leadership distancing themselves from him is more about self preservation than principles, to be honest.

I guess Sanders and Tlaib are naive or share most of Corbyn’s views, or both. (Presumably Sanders isn’t ans anti-NATO and Russophile as Corbyn, though?)
 

Pocket

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Yeah, if politicians had to avoid ever being seen with other politicians who any of their constituents or fellow party members had issues with, no two politicians would ever be in a room together.
 

Thylacine 2000

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Tlaib's stance on Israel includes that it is worth lying about for political advantage, for starters. During her primary, Tlaib told J-Street (moderate Jewish lobbying group) that she supported a 2-state solution, and they endorsed her for that. The actual race was non-competitive, and after she won the primary and was assured of victory she reversed her stance and said she actually wanted Israel to be dissolved.

She also seems to believe that there are people in or related to Israel who control / profit from racism against African-Americans.

https://jewishjournal.com/news/339369/tlaib-says-people-behind-the-curtain-exploit-palestinians-americans-and-adl-ceo-cites-antisemitic-dogwhistling/
 

Ungnome

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I'm sure there are people in Israel who happen to be in a position of power who would do that, but that's pretty much true of any random selection of any population, unfortunately. Tliab has some questionable views and wouldn't be my choice for congress(Though if she were on the ticket here, I'd hold my nose and vote for her over my current congressman, Andy Harris, lesser of two evils and all that...)

As far as Bernie's support.... Bernie's blind loyalty to Democratic Socialism can cause some lapses of judgement, which this is a clear case of.
 

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Tlaib's stance on Israel includes that it is worth lying about for political advantage, for starters. During her primary, Tlaib told J-Street (moderate Jewish lobbying group) that she supported a 2-state solution, and they endorsed her for that. The actual race was non-competitive, and after she won the primary and was assured of victory she reversed her stance and said she actually wanted Israel to be dissolved.
She might have lied, or genuinely changed her mind. Either way, you just said something untrue.
From the very source you just linked to:
And this week, Tlaib parted from that view, endorsing a one-state solution which would see all the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, as well as those in exile around the world, become citizens of Israel.
 

Thylacine 2000

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Yes, the so-called "1-state solution," which as I said would dissolve the world's only Jewish state and replace it with its 55th-ish Muslim state and 24th-ish Arab state. After 1,000+ years of oppression and genocides against Jews by Arab and Muslim governments, it is not an option. Israel stays, people need to learn to cope with that.
 

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And this week, Tlaib parted from that view, endorsing a one-state solution which would see all the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza, as well as those in exile around the world, become citizens of Israel.
And she knows that idea is a non-starter or completely disingenous: everyone in Israel and the Arab World knows about the failure of Lebanon and the economy/political/military dysfunction of a multi-confessionary system. She would probably know personally given the heavy influx of immigrants from Lebanon in her state and she is probably somewhat personally invested in the issue (since she sponsored a bill relating to Lebanese immigrants in the United States). Unless you are living under a rock and know nothing about MidEastern Politics/History, the idea is a complete fantasy.
 

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I'm never going to advocate for destroying the only Jewish state in the world, but the status quo is unacceptable. So thus I will forever be in favor of a two state solution.
 

PrimalxConvoy

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Yes, the so-called "1-state solution," which as I said would dissolve the world's only Jewish state and replace it with its 55th-ish Muslim state and 24th-ish Arab state. After 1,000+ years of oppression and genocides against Jews by Arab and Muslim governments, it is not an option. Israel stays, people need to learn to cope with that.
And I respectfully disagree. However, as you've stated before, there's a dedicated thread to discuss this, so why not do so at that thread?
 

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As far as Bernie's support.... Bernie's blind loyalty to Democratic Socialism can cause some lapses of judgement, which this is a clear case of.
If only Corbyn was a normie social-democratic politician like some of his apologists claim he is, rather than someone who has poisoned British politics for at least a generation.
 

Thylacine 2000

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Another month, another couple of synagogue shootings.

The perp for these two shootings in Los Angeles had a very long record of spreading hate and incitement against Jews, telling his classmates that Jews invented COVID and circulating leaflets for the "Goyim Defense League."

This San Francisco synagogue shooter will not be charged with hate crimes, despite a well-documented history of collecting Nazi paraphernalia. During the shooting he yelled about the Mossad.
 

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Squad member Rep. Cori Bush has paid over $100,000 in security to a man who has strong opinions on the Rothschilds.

Davis, who joined the New Black Panther Party in the wake of the 2014 Ferguson riots, also has a history of promoting anti-Semitic conspiracy theories on his social media account.

In two separate Facebook posts on July 17, 2020, Davis said the Rothschilds have had “every president elected in every country in the Western Hemisphere” and that they and other members of the “global elite” unleashed the coronavirus because they are trying to “kill every last one of us.”
 

Thylacine 2000

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This is a wild story. Who administers the admins? What do you do when enough people are able to cite "sources" from an alternate universe, consistently support and vote with each other, and where the lay public may never have the expertise to determine what is true?


The article that triggered the opening of the case was published under the title, “Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust.” It accused 11 current and former editors of intentional distortions to numerous articles relating to the Holocaust in Poland. The paper referred to the editors by their usernames but also provided their real names if they had publicly identified themselves on Wikipedia message boards.

Due to this group’s zealous handiwork, Wikipedia’s articles on the Holocaust in Poland minimize Polish antisemitism, exaggerate the Poles’ role in saving Jews, insinuate that most Jews supported Communism and conspired with Communists to betray Poles, blame Jews for their own persecution, and inflate Jewish collaboration with the Nazis,” wrote co-authors Jan Grabowski, a historian at the University of Ottawa, and Shira Klein of the history department at Chapman University in Orange, California.

Normally, mistakes on Wikipedia, whether intentional or not, can be quickly fixed by experienced editors who deploy a set of rules regarding sourcing and style. But in this case, the alleged distortionists know Wikipedia’s mechanisms well enough to at least appear to follow the rules and are willing to spend time arguing with other editors who step in to intervene. It becomes harder to get to the truth because they work to discredit established historians and prop up fringe voices to create the semblance of a real-world debate over historical events, according to the article.

In one of the dozens of examples documented in the study, the alleged distortionists have tried to pass the self-published work of an antisemitic Polish writer named Ewa Kurek as a reliable source. Kurek has said that COVID-19 is a cover for an attempt by Jews to take over Europe and that Jews enjoyed life in Nazi ghettos. An editor named Volunteer Marek argued in a backstage conversation among editors that Kurek should be cited as any “mainstream scholar” would be. And another editor, working on an article about a 1941 massacre of Jews in Poland, added Kurek’s claim that minimized the number of Jewish victims and exonerated Polish perpetrators.

In the debate about how to handle the case, dozens of arbitrators and ordinary Wikipedia editors — all volunteers — spoke of the situation on a Wikipedia message board as something close to an existential crisis for Wikipedia. Not only was the website accused of being used to spread antisemitic propaganda, but it was also alleged to be vulnerable to large-scale manipulation by a small group of bad-faith actors.

By a vote of nine to one on Feb. 13, the committee decided to open the case. The proceedings, which start with an evidence-gathering phase, are expected to last up to six weeks, after which they can decide to ban and restrict offending editors.

Beyond that, an unorthodox last resort option is also available. Wikipedia’s so-called Supreme Court could ask for help from an even higher authority: the Wikimedia Foundation, a nonprofit that owns the encyclopedia. The foundation intervened in 2021 in what some see as a similar scenario of a far-right takeover on the Croatian-language Wikipedia, hiring an outside expert to disentangle the web of obfuscation and banning a set of editors.
 


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