I am hoping that this is subterfuge. Like they know that they can't hide RDJ if he came back to the MCU so they say he is going to come back as Doom, when he is going to return as Ironman.
Avengers 5: DOOMSDAY
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Defenders of this move will probably say that the MCU changed Ultron's origins too, among other things. So this should be totally okay.
The only thing I want to know is...will he say it?
"I am NOT Iron Man"
"I am NOT Iron Man"
Ideally, he'll be Stark disguised as a Doombot from an Earth ruled by Doctor Doom and he'll end up in the main MCU to resume the mantle of Iron Man.
But I doubt that'll happen.
But I doubt that'll happen.
The MCU does need its anchor being back.
Adapting this stoyline "Demon in Armor" is probably the best way to have both be true. A world where Victor Von Doom, has Stark's face. That way they can still cast an different Dr. Doom down the line. Yeah there's the storyline where Stark becomes Dr. Doom; but I feel this being a what if storyline, "What if Tony Stark was Doom's roommate in college" fits better with the multiverse theme, then just "stark varient" and MCU tends to use only the core ideas when adapting, but this still gives them a legit Dr. Doom that has reason to look like Stark, without being Stark.
You put Victor von Doom in Tony Stark's body in a comic and it is something to tell a story about. Even there, I admit, it sounds like a dumb idea to me. But it would exist simply to be explored.
You put Victor von Doom in Tony Stark's body in a movie and virtually nobody believes it wasn't just because you wanted to cash in on Robert Downey, Jr. I wouldn't even believe it and I already found out that it would have a basis in the comics.
Now...that might be all there is to. Maybe they just wanted to cash in on Robert Downey, Jr. But I really hope not. If they want my idea, The Fantastic Four have been rumored to have been active in the 60s or 70s when the old Antman was and will somehow be dumped into our time. Maybe all of that is malarky, but I didn't make it up. If they do that, then they have have a quick exposition to say that they finally defeated Dr Doom back in the 70s and he died. Then in the post credits, you reveal that in an alternate timeline, Tony Stark became Dr Doom and for some reason he comes to ours. To me, that is an idea that can be explored. What if Tony Stark had been evil, but just as intelligent and wealthy and resourceful? It might be a little unfair to the character of Dr Doom, but you can give him an awful lot of the character. Besides...I mean they gave us a totally fake Mandarin and were sincere about it but when they found out how upset people were they created an elaborate story to show us how that fake Mandarin wasn't the real Mandarin and then gave us...another more interesting character that was also really an entirely new Mandarin. But I thought he was interesting.
You put Victor von Doom in Tony Stark's body in a movie and virtually nobody believes it wasn't just because you wanted to cash in on Robert Downey, Jr. I wouldn't even believe it and I already found out that it would have a basis in the comics.
Now...that might be all there is to. Maybe they just wanted to cash in on Robert Downey, Jr. But I really hope not. If they want my idea, The Fantastic Four have been rumored to have been active in the 60s or 70s when the old Antman was and will somehow be dumped into our time. Maybe all of that is malarky, but I didn't make it up. If they do that, then they have have a quick exposition to say that they finally defeated Dr Doom back in the 70s and he died. Then in the post credits, you reveal that in an alternate timeline, Tony Stark became Dr Doom and for some reason he comes to ours. To me, that is an idea that can be explored. What if Tony Stark had been evil, but just as intelligent and wealthy and resourceful? It might be a little unfair to the character of Dr Doom, but you can give him an awful lot of the character. Besides...I mean they gave us a totally fake Mandarin and were sincere about it but when they found out how upset people were they created an elaborate story to show us how that fake Mandarin wasn't the real Mandarin and then gave us...another more interesting character that was also really an entirely new Mandarin. But I thought he was interesting.
I really like your idea too. That it is for hype, but it'll be a cameo.
OFC its for Cred. All the Kang plans got flushed down the toilet, an multiple movies need to be re-written and they don't really have much time to try and build out another big villain. By doing the "body swap" angle they can get a quick Dr. Doom for the movie, allow RDJ to not have to return to playing Ironman, and still get general interest without having to worry too much about establishing THIS Dr. Doom. It punts the can down the lane so they could possibly focus on a more dedicated Dr. Doom later, when they aren't in crisis mode about what to do about the lack of major villain for the current Saga/Avenger movies. It is the quickest way to try and solve multiple back-end issues, and allows them to adapt an actual What if story for the multiverse arc. Anyone that tells you they aren't doing this for cred or the like, is either lying or stupid. But that doesn't mean there isn't a story for how this could work without being the lowest common denominator of "Evil AU Stark for some BS reason becomes Dr. Doom"
I have a feeling that at least part of this was RDJ refusing to come back just to play Tony Stark again, so they presented this to him as an alternative.
this deal went down days before the announcement it seems... so there has been no plans made beyond changing the title of the Avengers movie and going to the store for a few cheap Doctor Doom masks before going to hall H ... this movie is going to have like 6 rewrites and 4 release date changes before we ever see it lol
I was all in on seeing Majors play several more different characters and I'm disappointed that he wasn't the man they needed to do the job. But there is a recasting trick that gets done ALL the TIME, but only in a limited scenario where it works and they happen to fit that scenario. They actually did it on Loki Season 2 WHILE everyone was trying to figure out if they could recast him. Nasri Thompson already played him on two episodes and no one even thinks about it because obviously you have to recast when the character is going to be 30 years younger. So don't cast someone that looks and sounds kinda like him that is his age. Cast someone 20 years younger or older. TV and movies have already taught us to accept that someone will be recognized across a crowded room by another character who hasn't seen them for 20 years when they looked like a totally different actor. Post credit scene aside, Kang doesn't need to be the same age as He Who Remains.
well when Ironlad shows up in new avengers we'll have our younger recast Kang