Buzzworthy Bumblebee - the "everything goes" toyline

RCX

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I've been lamenting the non-inclusion of Jacky's Cybertronian mode since SIEGE ended. Seemed like a huge missed opportunity at the time. It's great knowing he's still in the cards; I have a feeling Hasbro was doing the "easier" ones first. Box-Jack may end up being a Voyager.
 

Gizmoboy

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Sold out on PULSE, still available at Target at moment.
As much as I love Origins Bee, this Jazz has got it beat. The vehicle kibble all over Bee's robot mode definitely take it down a peg, whereas Jazz does an excellent job at hiding it. Bee's saucer-mode is mostly to blame for this, but if you're comparing robot modes alone, Jazz wins.
Thanks for pointing this out. I was able to snag him with my RedCard discount. I also found Buzzworthy Silverstreak while I was at it so snagged him too.
 
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Sabrblade

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I've been lamenting the non-inclusion of Jacky's Cybertronian mode since SIEGE ended. Seemed like a huge missed opportunity at the time. It's great knowing he's still in the cards; I have a feeling Hasbro was doing the "easier" ones first. Box-Jack may end up being a Voyager.
Cybertronian Wheeljack would have happened in Siege if he (and Spinister) had won the fan vote that Impactor and Mirage won instead.
 

RCX

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I doubt that, because we got earth-mode Wheeljack the next year.
I'm positive all 6 fan vote options...
...had some pre-development work done ahead of putting the vote choices out there.
So it's doubtful they would've been developing 2 different Wheeljacks simultaneously.
All of the above were destined to get toys anyway, hence my disappointment that they couldn't get get Cybertronian Wheeljack in AT ALL before concluding the trilogy (let alone not having him and 'Bee transform AT ALL).
Hasbro touted their story and toys as being representative of "the last days of the war on Cybertron," and they actively retread elements of MTMTE including alt-modes, you gotta wonder what happened.
 

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Hasbro touted their story and toys as being representative of "the last days of the war on Cybertron," and they actively retread elements of MTMTE including alt-modes, you gotta wonder what happened.

It is kind of funny that they skipped half of the characters that were specifically shown in their Cybertronian modes in the cartoon in favor of made-up ones for different characters. Not sure exactly what the reasoning was on that one.
 

ZacWilliam1

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It is kind of funny that they skipped half of the characters that were specifically shown in their Cybertronian modes in the cartoon in favor of made-up ones for different characters. Not sure exactly what the reasoning was on that one.

"We are telling our own story with the characters we choose not slavishly serving up the exact pieces of a really old cartoon?"

-ZacWilliam, I mean they're semi-doing that now, but slowly, as sort of a limited side course apart from the main line.
 

Sabrblade

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"We are telling our own story with the characters we choose not slavishly serving up the exact pieces of a really old cartoon?"

-ZacWilliam, I mean they're semi-doing that now, but slowly, as sort of a limited side course apart from the main line.
Except they kept touting Siege as being directly inspired by the first few scenes of that old episode.

Heck, that's why the entire line used the design philosophy of "The robot modes must look faithful enough to the G1 cartoon models (from the front) no matter what nonsense altmode they turn into."

And they're still using that design philosophy for these two Buzzworthy Bumblebee "Origin" figures.
 

Shadewing

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Except they kept touting Siege as being directly inspired by the first few scenes of that old episode.

Heck, that's why the entire line used the design philosophy of "The robot modes must look faithful enough to the G1 cartoon models (from the front) no matter what nonsense altmode they turn into."

And they're still using that design philosophy for these two Buzzworthy Bumblebee "Origin" figures.

Not to forget we had attempts at the pyramid jet modes of the Seekers from those scenes, AND Soundwave had 'Steetlamp mode' as an intentional easter egg, as well as Lasterbeak having his cockpit face rather then his bird face.
 

Dake

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Except they kept touting Siege as being directly inspired by the first few scenes of that old episode.

Heck, that's why the entire line used the design philosophy of "The robot modes must look faithful enough to the G1 cartoon models (from the front) no matter what nonsense altmode they turn into."

And they're still using that design philosophy for these two Buzzworthy Bumblebee "Origin" figures.

Siege was "inspired by". Inspired doesn't mean exact replica. The Buzzworthy molds are definitely doing something different.
 

Sabrblade

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Siege was "inspired by". Inspired doesn't mean exact replica. The Buzzworthy molds are definitely doing something different.
The only thing they're doing differently is not covering Bee and Jazz in gratuitous greeble and battle damage. The design philosophy is still the same.
 

ZacWilliam1

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It's not.

Seige was just loosely inspired by the idea of alien vehicles.

Buzzworthy is exactly the cartoon designs in the cartoon style as closely as physically possible.

-ZacWilliam, they are very different design philosophies/approaches to a similar goal.
 

Sabrblade

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The Siege Seekers were an attempt to directly replicate the Tetrajets as seen in the cartoon.

They even had their cartoon robot modes with the fake F-15 parts.
 

Dake

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The Siege Seekers were an attempt to directly replicate the Tetrajets as seen in the cartoon.

They even had their cartoon robot modes with the fake F-15 parts.
What? Did Hasbro ever say they were attempting to "directly replicate" the cartoon Tetrajets? If so they did a terrible job.
 

NovaSaber

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"We are telling our own story with the characters we choose not slavishly serving up the exact pieces of a really old cartoon?"

-ZacWilliam, I mean they're semi-doing that now, but slowly, as sort of a limited side course apart from the main line.
Where did they ever tell a "Siege" story that didn't have Bumblebee in it?

Siege was "inspired by". Inspired doesn't mean exact replica. The Buzzworthy molds are definitely doing something different.
While I don't like they do this either, Hasbro actually uses the words "inspired by" to mean "exactly accurate to" so often I'm not sure they know that isn't what it means.

Siege definitely wasn't even inspired by "G1 cartoon Cybertronian vehicle" on a stylistic level, though. It's greebly and dirty instead of sleek and clean, and blocky instead of curvy, and the car/truck modes don't even look alien at all; they're just Earth-style cars with the windshields and hubcaps being weird.

The Siege Seekers were an attempt to directly replicate the Tetrajets as seen in the cartoon.

They even had their cartoon robot modes with the fake F-15 parts.
They're influenced by it, but an attempt to directly replicate the Tetrajet design would have been much more similar in shape.

And the wings are actually straighter than an F-15's wings, when the Tetrajet's wings should be more angled. In other words, they actually deviated from Tetrajet-accuracy even in the wrong direction for robot mode accuracy. (Just compare the robot mode to that of any F-15 Starscream if you don't see what I mean.)
This really only makes sense if they had another design goal for the vehicle mode.
 

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I suspect the initial plan was thoroughly MTMTE Part 1, but then someone fell in love with the budget trilogy idea, so character choice became dictated by how easy it would be to get Cybertron and Earth versions with the same base. They didn't figure out how to make a Cybertron Wheeljack that they could easily turn into an Earth Wheeljack, so Cybertron Wheeljack just didn't happen.

The Seekers would be an anomaly in this scenario, because the Earthrise design doesn't use Siege as a base at all. However, I find it interesting that Siege Starscream's alt mode is attached by one hinge, and it's possible to remove it in one chunk. I want to believe that at one point they were planning on Earthrise Starscream just being Siege Starscream with a new backpack, before plans changed again and they found the budget to do a proper new one.
 

Echowarrior

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I'd think the Seeker mold would be a great way to recoup costs. It can be used for how many characters now?
 


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