I gazed at reviews and they are all over the place. I’m getting the feeling that BNW might end up being the film that “shoulders the sins of its franchise”, much as how Rise of the Beast and Dark of the Moon ended up seeing criticism more about their franchise perception than the film themselves.
Captain America Brave New World
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I liked it.
If there's anything that could have used more explaining, it's the whole giant-in-the-ocean thing. Like, I know that it has something to do with... the Eternals, was it? And people kept asking when it was going to be referenced again.
But that's literally it.
If there's anything that could have used more explaining, it's the whole giant-in-the-ocean thing. Like, I know that it has something to do with... the Eternals, was it? And people kept asking when it was going to be referenced again.
But that's literally it.
I didn't get an advanced screening for it, darn! Haha
I was rather ok with it. I like it better than I didn't see the trailer so I was pretty surprised to see how involved
I was rather ok with it. I like it better than I didn't see the trailer so I was pretty surprised to see how involved
Joaquin Torres was. I was so worried for him and Redwing cuz I knew they had to escalate aaaaaaand, well, yeah. Btw, did the second Redwing appear before?
Someone said Leader was the bad guy. Did the comics ever have him do probabilities? I don't like having too smart villains (with not a lot of human vulnerabilities) cuz when they're failing, it's like 'you should have calculated for this'. (Like if Scar had the brains in Lion King over Mufasa, why did he end up ruling so badly?). And I can't get behind Leader wanting a normal life. With his smarts, he would know he could do so much better as he is.
It was horrible how he killed Demolition Man tho, grrrr.
Kinda liked the Red Hulk vs Sam fight because they knew Sam did not stand a chance at all but it was still kinda believable how he was able to fight back.
While very exciting in a dogfight way, I don't like how Sam and Joaquin had trouble stopping two regular jets during the Celestial Island encounter. The pilots were probably even in a zombie mind controlled state and not actively fighting back. Redwing by himself and his clone copy could have handled the whole situation, cmon.
Did Giancarlo Esposito replace a bad actor playing Sidewinder? He's a great character actor as a villain but I feel like Frank Grillo type ala Crossbones would have been more apt.
Who is the world is Ruth Widow?!?
Carl Lumby, voice actor in the Dini Timm toon verse? That's neat.
Soooooo are we getting a young Wolverine? To go with new Young Avengers? What alternative characters can Joaquin Torres be if he won't be Falcon?
Hope this is a success. But I'm looking forward to Thunderbolts more.
Someone said Leader was the bad guy. Did the comics ever have him do probabilities? I don't like having too smart villains (with not a lot of human vulnerabilities) cuz when they're failing, it's like 'you should have calculated for this'. (Like if Scar had the brains in Lion King over Mufasa, why did he end up ruling so badly?). And I can't get behind Leader wanting a normal life. With his smarts, he would know he could do so much better as he is.
It was horrible how he killed Demolition Man tho, grrrr.
Kinda liked the Red Hulk vs Sam fight because they knew Sam did not stand a chance at all but it was still kinda believable how he was able to fight back.
While very exciting in a dogfight way, I don't like how Sam and Joaquin had trouble stopping two regular jets during the Celestial Island encounter. The pilots were probably even in a zombie mind controlled state and not actively fighting back. Redwing by himself and his clone copy could have handled the whole situation, cmon.
Did Giancarlo Esposito replace a bad actor playing Sidewinder? He's a great character actor as a villain but I feel like Frank Grillo type ala Crossbones would have been more apt.
Who is the world is Ruth Widow?!?
Carl Lumby, voice actor in the Dini Timm toon verse? That's neat.
Soooooo are we getting a young Wolverine? To go with new Young Avengers? What alternative characters can Joaquin Torres be if he won't be Falcon?
Hope this is a success. But I'm looking forward to Thunderbolts more.
I felt like that was what MCU did with Steve. I never had any other notion until "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" and feel like that was a retcon. Steve did hold a helicopter down, but great action heroes do that kind of thing in action movies. He never did a super jump.
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I just read a few reviews this morning and was disappointed to see people are finding the movie disappointed. Maybe that calibrated me. I wasn't blown away, but I did like it.
The expositional newscast at the start is a way too on the nose. I've seen the device used well, but it wasn't here.
The slow burn with Ross' transformation was done really well.
I don't think about Liv Tyler. She is pretty, but I've never been a fan. I was surprised she was in the movie and the phone call device made me think she wouldn't be. Then I got thinking about how I never hear her name. I confirmed when I got home, she really hasn't been working in Hollywood. This is her first movie for many years. And I didn't think about until THEN how old she is. She probably doesn't want to play the lead characters' moms. She doesn't look old here, but her scene was short and poorly lit too.
I really can't tell by the end of the movie if Ross is trying to be a better man.
MCU has moved totally away from using numbers. People who like to count will still call this Captain America 4, but it wasn't just the cast that changed. Because Sam is a totally different kind of Captain America, the whole thing was built around a different kind of Captain America.
Sam has definitely been practicing with the shield, but that isn't all. I guess it has been a few years, but I never had an impression of him being an expert hand to hand fighter, but he's got all the skills now. He can throw the shield and have it hit everyone in the room, but he can also street fight a big thug and win a gun fight without a gun or a serum or his gear.
I don't think a former brainwashed Russian assassin has ever been elected to Congress and I don't see it happening any time soon. And running for Congress flies in the face of every bit of understanding we've been given about Bucky.
Science is always depicted poorly in action movies and of course when you are going to use fake superhero science that is a requirement, but still I am a little disappointed by a couple things. I don't know Sam's education background, but he picks up a paper describing Ross' medicine and it says right on it that it is thorium. I didn't catch what isotopes, but I believe it was on the screen. It had two "Th" and each had some numbers around it like a good isotope should. All thoriums are radioactive. The far most common isotope does give off gamma rays. I'm disappointed first that he has a paper right there that says Ross is taking Thorium and the prop people were directed to say so, but Sam apparently didn't realize what he was being shown. I'm disappointed secondly that all the dialog says it is "packed with gamma rays". You can't put gamma rays in stuff and have them stay there. If you are never saying thorium in the movie and Sam isn't going to recognize the symbol, don't put it on a prop. To some of the audience it just says a lot of this could've been averted if Sam had paid attention in science class.
Who told the world that Celestial Island was a Celestial? Tiamut is impossible to hide, but my impression was that the rest of the details of "The Eternals" were pretty hush hush. I hadn't thought of it before this, but going back there and looking at it, Tiamut has her head and one hand out of the water and from the size they appear in this movie she really isn't that big for a Celestial and she is probably entirely out the crust of the Earth. What was her threat to Earth anyway? Was she going to turn around and eat it?
Hey, yeah, who coined the term Celestial? The Eternals certainly weren't going to name drop it in media. Wasn't she going to burst out of the earth like an egg when she emerges?
Ruth Bat Seraph is Sabra in the comics. Still Israeli, but a Mutant and not a
Black Widow
That's the way it was described, but if she is approximately proportioned like a human, she is totally out of the crust and standing in the ocean and the Earth is fine.
I thought it was pretty decent. I went in expecting it to be garbage because of how much people were jive talking it and casting doom on it but I think it was a pretty solid movie. I like the new Falcon, I like that Sam didnt end up taking the serum so that he could out punch all the problems.
I do find it odd that Bucky is running for congress? Especially when we know hes going to be showing up in the Thunderbolts as a very non congressional type situation. Just inserting that hes running felt so odd.
I do find it odd that Bucky is running for congress? Especially when we know hes going to be showing up in the Thunderbolts as a very non congressional type situation. Just inserting that hes running felt so odd.
MCU timeline issues are an unforced error. The only thing we know about this one is that it is after Eternals and after Falcon and the Winter Soldier. The only thing we know about Thunderbolts is that it is after Hawkeye.
Look. Bucky can't run for Congress. He spent decades as an assassin zombie. He murdered a lot of civilians. There is no coming back from that politically. But that is beside the point. Bucky does not want to talk to crowds or hold the reins of government. He doesn't want the spotlight.
I texted a friend who apparently hasn't seen the movie yet. I was sure that she would have. I said "I don't think a former brainwashed Russian assassin can win a Congress seat". She said "Ugh. I don't even want to know what's happening now. Just a ---show. We are living in the movie, Idiocracy". So there you go. Apparently it is no longer as implausible as I thought.
I have mixed feelings on this one. Not as bad as people said it was, but also not particularly great either. It's very much a "meh" MCU movie and I'm just passed the point where that's enough.
Harrison Ford did look hilarious in his Thunderbolt Ross moustache though, for the two seconds we saw it.
Harrison Ford did look hilarious in his Thunderbolt Ross moustache though, for the two seconds we saw it.
In a time when Trump is back in office, I wouldn't put it past the average voter to vote for Bucky despite his history. We have yet to plumb the depths of the idiocy of the voting population at large.
I felt like showing that in the past broke the "new look" joke and didn't serve any real purpose.
I saw it Thursday. I thought it was okay. Definitely the worst Captain America movie but an okay Marvel movie. I think it has all the right ingredients to be a great movie, just the execution of which wasn't up to snuff.
Also, no Rosa Salazar as Diamondback was very disappointing for me.
I see this movie and Thunderbolts mention there is no Avengers. If that's the case the. What were Captain Marvel, Wong, and Bruce Banner doing at the end of Shang-Chi? Seemed like something very Avengers like to me.
Also, no Rosa Salazar as Diamondback was very disappointing for me.
I see this movie and Thunderbolts mention there is no Avengers. If that's the case the. What were Captain Marvel, Wong, and Bruce Banner doing at the end of Shang-Chi? Seemed like something very Avengers like to me.
I get the feeling that, with Seth Rollins‘ role also cut, the Serpent Society was massively gutted in development. I can almost see where SERPENT might have have been used as a “trigger” for Red Hulk and the capture of one of them lead to the tracking of Sterns. But with all the other stuff, it might well have bloated the Movie’s runtime. With so many Marvel films suffering from bloated runtimes, I think the “slimming down” and streamlining of the plot was probably the better move.
In regards to Avengers, while there are still groups of heroes, I think in the “broad public perception”, there isn’t a unified team of heroes. Plus you got Hulk and Danvers gallivanting around the cosmos (which is why I think the naming of “Celestial Island” isn’t a big deal. The Guardians of the Galaxy operate out of the head of one, you‘d think the talking raccoon or Danvers would tell the US government what the heck popped out of the ocean).
There are still heroes around doing things, but nobody is stepping up to be THE TEAM of heroes. At least not publicly.
Given the MCU’s tendency towards revisionist continuity, I don’t expect a “young Wolverine” as Fero mentioned. This film is the big “introduction” of adamantium, but given the Celestrial was in the Earth’s core, you can make an argument that some small deposits might have filtered up to the surface over the millennia. Meaning shadowy groups might have been scrapping up adamantium for decades, but its rarity meant most shifted to the more available Vibranium.
Bruce is off somewhere being a dad. Wong is cage-fighting. Captain Marvel doesn't want the job anymore, I think.
That was an under-the-radar thing, though, and Bruce outright said he didn't have anyone's numbers.
I am curious as to how they'll move Bucky from this to Thunderbolts-with-an-asterisk.
That was an under-the-radar thing, though, and Bruce outright said he didn't have anyone's numbers.
I am curious as to how they'll move Bucky from this to Thunderbolts-with-an-asterisk.
Seth Rollins? The wrestler? Was going to be a serpent society guy?
Well, the Batroc the leaper MMA guy was pretty awesome in his short role. Maybe they could have pulled it off with Seth.
Well, the Batroc the leaper MMA guy was pretty awesome in his short role. Maybe they could have pulled it off with Seth.