Concepts and Character arcs to fold into a rebooted G1.

KingSwoop

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Suppose that you were tasked with doing a rebooted Transforms cartoon largely based on the G1 property. What concepts, characters, and character arcs would you adopt from other iterations of the story and why?

For example, here's some things I'd want to fold in from Armada:
1. Demolisher - "Missile Tank" is a very fun, very Decepticon alt mode. I like the idea of Megatron being a tank, and folding Bludgeon into the main cast (as a creepy tank ninja), but having Demolisher being a "reverse Starscream" and being loyal to Megatron to a fault sounds interesting.

2. {Starscream's betrayal & joining the autobots} - G1 featured Skyfire who defected (after not really being a Decepitcon) in the cartoon (and in the comic he was destroyed and given new life? Harsh!), but Armada Starscream defected for reasons to the autobots. IDW tried to do something similar with Thundercracker; and I can't say Armada Starscream's arc was great... or even good... but the idea of a Decepticon defecting is a good thing to try out. Obviously not with Starscream, though; but we do have this very loyal character, Demolisher, who I just talked about.... and having him swap sides would be substantive.

3. {Wheeljack} - An autobot turned Decepticon is a good idea to explore, but obviously not with Wheeljack. Of course there have been many good guys who defect to the 'cons, but what made Armada Wheeljack notable was that he seemed to defect thanks to Megatron's kindness towards him. Now that doesn't make a lot of sense... it's from Armada, remember; but the key features of this arc, I think, are (a) Armada Wheeljack is not evil, and (b) he doesn't un-defect. Maybe Megatron scouts him as a warrior and recruits him after the autobots think he's dead, or... maybe after prioritizing humans over saving him? This brings me to a second, substantive, change I'd want to make: Have this happen in the present day. As with G1, have the transformers be in stasis lock until the present day, but it strikes me that you could play up the epistemic dread of the Autobots not knowing if their planet is okay. (It always struck me that Megatron was so certain that Cybertron existed, and this strength of leadership kept his forces together when they could have given in to despair.) It's not hard to imagine our future-defector, with a later-wave toy, obv., pulling a Gears and complaining about Optimus's leadership or whatever. Not evil, but perhaps showing some cracks. Late in Season 1, or mid-Season 2, you can do the defection arc, which features Prime (or whoever is in charge of the unit) prioritizing humans and making a "tough call" leaving him behind. You could even show them return to the scene to look for him after the fact. But Megatron sees this warrior and recruits him. Frankly I think I'd set up a rivalry between him and Starscream earlier, so Megatron's choice here might just be to screw with Starscream for all we know. But he gives our Autobot the sales pitch about how Transformers are superior to humans; that he has a duty to his race to unite them under his rule and defend cybertron. Ideally we'll have had some light quintesson back story at this point setting them up as a threat that Megatron MIGHT plausibly be trying to unite the people against.
 

Cybersnark

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Wildwheel from Cyberverse. He was aboard the Ark when it went down, but they couldn't account for him after everyone woke up. Then have him show up much later and reveal his whole side-story.

Shatter and Dropkick, just to give us more Decepticons (ooh, maybe have them turn up midway through the series as scouts from Cybertron, proving to everyone that Cybertron is still out there).

Slipstream, because we need more women. I'd like Arcee and Elita to stay on Cybertron, but I'm sure we could add a few Autobot femmes for parity. Maybe Road Rage or Catapult.

I'd also use the comic origin for the Dinobots; have them aboard as "marines" who were hit particularly hard by the crash (so it took additional months for Wheeljack and Ratchet to get them back online, and their vocal processors never quite worked right after that). For that matter, the "season-2" Autobots were also knocked out by the crash, which is why they were so slow to be introduced.

More of what was happening during the four million years back on Cybertron; Shockwave being overthrown by Trannis, then Straxus, then the triumvirate, and having to reclaim his authority, maybe a conflict between Ultra Magnus and Elita-1's respective factions, etc.
 

Haywire

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Lots of characters from club D.A.N.G (Didn't Appear iN G1), of course!

From the live-action movies, there was a somewhat conscious effort to make the Decepticons have alt-modes that subverted authority (like Police and Military), Barricade being the best example. I think this should continue, particularly with rescue services and the like; as CoffeeHorse said, it's a great use of the robots in disguise concept, and gives the Decepticons that much more menace.

From Animated, the ideas of multiple teams operating at the same time. While Optimus' team was active on Earth, Rodimus and Sentinel (and presumably others) had teams active on other worlds. Likewise, we saw Strika leading her own team of Decepticons, one of many subsets of the Decepticon army.

From Armada, the third Minicon faction. This could be adopted for some of the Targetmasters, Headmasters, and Powermasters, as well as the typical Powerlinx connections.

From Cybertron, the lost colonies (which seems to have already been largely adopted) with divergent evolutions of Cybertronian colonists.

From RiD15, the prevalence of characters with animal or animalistic robot modes.

And, of course, introduce Gobotron and Gobots as another species (not descended from Cybertronians) that could compete or ally with various teams at times to shake up the status quo.
 

Exatron

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I'd lean into TF One Bumblebee's line about there being a lot of _____waves and make all the highest-ranking Decepticons be named as such. Soundwave's in charge of Intelligence. Shockwave for Science & Engineering. Tidal Wave for the Space & Naval corps. Laserwave (maybe with an Animated Longarm design to contrast with a more G1 Shockwave) for the heavy artillery. Maybe something new like Seismic Wave for the ground forces.

Maybe even reveal that Megatron had wanted to call Starscream something like Stellar Wave, but he refused to go along with it. :LOL:

Aside from Tidal Wave, there've been quite a few other characters that I'd love to add to bulk out the Decepticon forces. Blackout & Barricade from the movies, Lugnut and Slipstream from Animated, Airachnid from Prime, RiD Steeljaw, etc.
 

KingSwoop

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Wildwheel from Cyberverse. He was aboard the Ark when it went down, but they couldn't account for him after everyone woke up. Then have him show up much later and reveal his whole side-story.

Shatter and Dropkick, just to give us more Decepticons (ooh, maybe have them turn up midway through the series as scouts from Cybertron, proving to everyone that Cybertron is still out there).

Slipstream, because we need more women. I'd like Arcee and Elita to stay on Cybertron, but I'm sure we could add a few Autobot femmes for parity. Maybe Road Rage or Catapult.

I'd also use the comic origin for the Dinobots; have them aboard as "marines" who were hit particularly hard by the crash (so it took additional months for Wheeljack and Ratchet to get them back online, and their vocal processors never quite worked right after that). For that matter, the "season-2" Autobots were also knocked out by the crash, which is why they were so slow to be introduced.

More of what was happening during the four million years back on Cybertron; Shockwave being overthrown by Trannis, then Straxus, then the triumvirate, and having to reclaim his authority, maybe a conflict between Ultra Magnus and Elita-1's respective factions, etc.
Slipstream & Roadrage seem like inspired choices.

I like the comic origins of the Dinobots, but I think we need something to get people excited about transformers and doing a Dinobot prequel would be better. Modify the IDW origin, with the Dinobots leaving cybertron to chase some villain or set of villains, they land on, effectively, Skull Island with strange energon properties, and then they beat their villain, only to be awoken much later when Scorpy & the Insecticons show up to mine the stuff. We then get Grimlock reassembling his team, interacting with (Very King-Kong inspired) humans, bashing insecticons, and then maybe fighting the Terrorcons or something in the finale (without combining, obv.) You can then reintroduce the dinobots into Season 1 if the full-on reboot, and probably fold them into the main team in Season 2.

Re: Cybertron - I've always been a fan of Marvel-style Decepticon factionism preventing the 'cons from finishing off the autobots. Still, I'm inclined to say that you have Iacon protected by some shield, probably related to Primus, and thus most of the autobots on Cybertron are isolationist civilians, while most of the decepticons have resorted to in-fighting. This way when the 'cons eventually break the shield, probably with Megatron's help, the new Autobots are as "innocent" as the Optimus's generation; artists and scientists and professionals, not warriors. Not sure if I like the idea of Iacon being destroyed... but you could have it's population flee to one of the (newly deserted) moons and/or to Earth (Cyberverse style, so they largely go undercover?)

Wildwheel... well, I'm all for autobots being "sent out early" like the Marvel comics origin of the Dinobots, but sending him out in the wild west doesn't make much sense unless he scans a horse... or a DeLorean? Your mileage might vary, but I think maybe a WW1 biplane might be a better target, or maybe a Hearts of Steel-style boat?

I'd lean into TF One Bumblebee's line about there being a lot of _____waves and make all the highest-ranking Decepticons be named as such. Soundwave's in charge of Intelligence. Shockwave for Science & Engineering. Tidal Wave for the Space & Naval corps. Laserwave (maybe with an Animated Longarm design to contrast with a more G1 Shockwave) for the heavy artillery. Maybe something new like Seismic Wave for the ground forces.

Maybe even reveal that Megatron had wanted to call Starscream something like Stellar Wave, but he refused to go along with it. :LOL:

Aside from Tidal Wave, there've been quite a few other characters that I'd love to add to bulk out the Decepticon forces. Blackout & Barricade from the movies, Lugnut and Slipstream from Animated, Airachnid from Prime, RiD Steeljaw, etc.
I wouldn't focus too much on character names; I could see a UK Divebomb/Swoop-inspired story, but having characters rename themselves seems more confusing than it needs to be.

I don't know about Airachnid; she's a robot... but also a spider maybe? If you want to give me a triple changer Spider/Robot/Helecopter, I'm in. But I think what you really want is Blackarachania... and I don't think you can have that. You CAN have Tarantulus, maybe even being responsible for some time travel that causes history to be different (so you can cross over with G1's cartoon if you want!), but post-Beast Wars attempts at Blackarachnia have been iffy at best (see Animated, for example).

As for Tidalwave... I think the Decepticons need an Aircraft Carrier, so if they want to do a Tidal Wave as sort of a pretool of Broadside and give him a major role in, say, Season 2 of the show, I'm all in.
 
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Shadewing

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As mentioned previously, I am running my own TF continuity in a TTRPG, and I have LOADS of this.

Lugnut (in his universe body) and Tidal Wave (in his titan returns one) being Decepticon heavies and one of reasons Megatron still has command of the disenfranchised Decepticons on Earth. Lugnut is powerhouse loyalist, who's blind faith in Megatron makes him seem simple minded, but Tidal Wave really is just a dumb brute that lets others do his thinking for him.

Three generations of Predacons. There are the Ancient Predacons, the ones from Prime/Alligned. There names and forms went on to inspire the G1 Predacons and Terrorcons, who along with some Insecticons eventually form the BW Predacon faction, each attributing something to them. Faction Name, Transformation Code, and Faction Symbol.BW currently has no actual place in my game atm, but once I started I had to explain all three.

Sky Lynx is the only known surviving Ancient Predacon, time and events eventually lead him to joining the Autobots and has a sense of rightous indigation at the G1 Predacons for bismirching the name Predacon and Predaking.

Barricade head of Decepticon Security, rival to Bumblebee

Knockout (Legacy body) and Breakneck (Prime Breakdown using UW body) Decepticon medic and his somewhat brutish but good natured boyfriend.

Wheeljack and Downshift are brothers, Downshift combines both G1 and UT characters togeather.

Cybertron after the Ark left experinced a Decepticon civil war; This was both good and bad for the remaining Autobots as it lead to them gaining some ground and being able to create a safe territory they can protect; while the Cybertronian Decepticons evended up in two different factions by the end. Shockwave's loyalists, and Straxus' court aka Ultracons. Both sides are roughly equal in power so there is a very fragile peace between the three factions, but everyone knows that it won't last and even the tiniest change to the status quo could lead to total war once more.

Nothing to do with any other continuity, but Blurr and Arcee are Siblings. This comes purely from my own belief as a kid, since they are fairly similar looking car modes, similar to Sideswipe and Sunstreaker. Both are sleek, angular cars with a single "bent" antenna.

I have ideas for colony worlds, that takes a bit from every where. But they're still in the vague territory.

Some of this is setup for future plot lines, while some of this might never get used, but its hard to control my mind when I start getting ceative about world building.
 

Destron D-69

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While I'd personally rather take concepts from other canons and move them forward in a canon that wasn't g1... if we're bound to it forever and ever as it is beginning to appear to be the case. the things I would like to see:

Females in the main cast. It has been a thing (to varying degrees) since midway into season 1 of beast wars. -don't get me wrong, I loved that we finally got Arcee in season 3 of g1 as a main stay of the cast... but let's be real, they could have done better by her.

Recommendations to this: Add Slipstream, Airachnid, Thunderblast... put them all in on the cons side, give me Glyph, Windblade, Make Elita-1 interesting like she is everywhere other than g1... it should be a simple thing.

Primus and Unicron. Unite the origin stories of the g1 Tv show and Comics. just make it official. They are gods, they weren't built by a weird alien monkey man. the 13 are real, the Quints did invade and take over and for a time Cybertronians were subjugated and made to think they were manufactured goods - but they regained their true origins after the uprising...

RtT: Just make it true and say it happened. and just for gits and shiggles say this is the timeline and "g1" that beastwars is connected to. just to make me feel good.
 

lastmaximal

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Might come back later and itemize an "idk how any of this would be done, but here's what I want from each post-G1 era or alt-G1 take" list. Just for my own tastes, character names would be changed to avoid reuse, favoring G1.

But for now I'd beef up Megatron's Earth crew, adding in characters from later series who were part of those series' core Con casts. Demolishor, Blackout, Barricade with Frenzy, Knock Out, Breakdown, Dreads, Prime Vehicons...

And I'd throw in a range of female Autobots and Decepticons, on Earth and Cybertron alike, to mix things up some. Windblade, Slipstream, Airachnid, Nautica, Velocity, Glyph, Strika...
 


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