Only a handful really felt broken (looking at you especially, Rayquaza and Gengar). Some, like Garchomp, are even downgrades.
Gotta Catch 'Em All! - Pokémon Thread
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They're having another Tera Raid Event for Walking Wake and Iron Leaves. It goes from today until February 27.
You can also get a Championship Jumpluff with the code:
EU1C25SUNNYDAY
And with Pokemon Day less than a week away, I'm going to post a Pokemon Megatheory. The recent Teraleak had a few key details revealed that really put things together for me, and I'm writing this all down. Just to see if I'm right ahead of any reveals for Legend Z-A. Fair warning, as I will be talking a little about the Teraleak. Including one reveal about Legends Z-A, which you might not want to spoil yourself for. You've been warned.
You can also get a Championship Jumpluff with the code:
EU1C25SUNNYDAY
And with Pokemon Day less than a week away, I'm going to post a Pokemon Megatheory. The recent Teraleak had a few key details revealed that really put things together for me, and I'm writing this all down. Just to see if I'm right ahead of any reveals for Legend Z-A. Fair warning, as I will be talking a little about the Teraleak. Including one reveal about Legends Z-A, which you might not want to spoil yourself for. You've been warned.
It all comes down to this leaked story:
This story mentioned that Arceus was born from a Cosmic Egg and the pieces of his shell turned into Giants and attacked him.
Now, this is clearly a reference to Pangu, from Chinese Mythology. But, the Shell Giants part is unique.
In Legends Arceus, there's a message on one of Arceus's Elemental Plates (specifically the Flame Plate) that says that "The power of defeated giants infuses this plate". So, I think this is still an ongoing plot point. Gamefreak is still using these leaked "myths" as a outline for their world-building. They're just being REALLY subtle about it.
I think Gamefreak has been SLOWLY giving us these Shell Giants over the last 5 Generations.
I think the Gimmick “Source” Pokemon are basically all pieces of Arceus that are attacking him and and his creation in order to re-join with him. The “Source” Pokemon ARE the “Shell Giants” mentioned in this leaked myth.
All of the "Source" Pokemon have "crystalline" features...like a Cosmic Eggshell would have. Necrozma, Eternatus, and Terapagos all share obvious crystal-like features in common. Even Deoxys has a crystal at it's core, and is a "space virus", and viruses like the bacteriophage have a crystal-like "head" and properties.
And all these gimmicks have some tie to using Crystals to in order to power your Pokemon. Mega Stones. Z Crystals. Dynamax Wishing Stars. Tera Orbs.
All the "Source" Pokemon come from outside the Pokemon World. Either from outer space, or from other dimensions. They're invasive species trying to get a foothold into this world. Almost all of them crashed into the earth and formed some sort of crater. Deoxys TRIED to crash into the earth in it's meteor (or it succeeded landing on Birth Island in Fire Red/Leaf Green). Necrozma landed in the Farthest Hollow or Mount Lanakila depending on if it's SM or USUM. Eternatus got into this world through the Max Lair in the Crown Tundra. Terapagos formed the Great Crater of Paldea.
And in each Generation since Gen 6, the "infection" caused by these "Source" Pokemon spreads a little bit more. In Gen 6, only a handful of Pokemon could even use Mega Evolution. In Gen 7, ALL Pokemon could use Z-Moves, but it caused no physical changes. In Gen 8, ALL Pokemon could use Dynamax, but only a handful could use Gigantamax, which changed their physical appearance. And in Gen 9, ALL Pokemon can use Tera, and ALL the Pokemon are changed in a fundamental way, changing their elemental type.
So, in theory, whatever the Gen 10 gimmick turns out to be should give ALL the Pokemon a radical new appearance in some way. Which...is unlikely given budgets, but it would fit the pattern.
We've also seen other crystals around the various Regions get larger as each Generation goes on. In Gen 6, we saw the Anistar City Sundial, but that was a pretty localized phenomenon. In Gen 7...there isn't really a lot, but the Tapu's do start handing out "Sparkling Stones" and Z-Crystals become more relevant. Gen 8 saw the Max Raid Dens pop up all around the region. And in Gen 9, these crystal like structures are even larger as Tera Raid Dens.
So, again, in theory, Gen 10 should give us "Gimmick Dens" that look like crystals that are even larger than the Tera Raid Den crystals we saw all around Paldea.
There's also the Giant Trees, which seem to be playing a part in all of this. Though, I'm not sure how. I think the Giant Trees are actually a way to "protect" or "purify" the Region from invasion and infection from these "Shell Giant" invaders? I think it ties into how certain trees are seen as "sacred" and have spiritual "purifying" properties in Shintoism. The Giant Trees are most likely some sort of defense against foreign invaders.
In Gen 6, Coumarine's Grass Gym is one Giant Tree. In ORAS, they also added a special Tree with Az's Floette's Eternal Flowers on it to the entrance to Sootopolis City's Cave of Origin. Gen 7 has Poni Island's Battle Tree. Gen 8 has the Dyna Tree in the Crown Tundra. Gen 9 has the Crystal Tree in the Area Zero Underdepths. Again, in each successive Generation, the Trees seem to become more and more "infected" by the Region's "gimmick". Possibly showing that whatever "purifying" power these Giant Trees have is being overwhelmed by the invasive power these "source" Pokemon are bringing in with them?
So, again, in theory, Gen 10 should have another Giant Tree, which will likely be completely consumed by whatever the "Gimmick" for that Generation is.
So, to put this all together, I think these "Source" Pokemon are actually the "Shell Giants" from that leaked Gamefreak creation myth. And I think all these "Shell Giants" are trying to re-join with Arceus. I think they're trying to put Arceus BACK into the Cosmic Shell he was birthed from, so they can all be a part of him again. They want to return to what they used to be. So, they're trying to infuse the world with their powers in order to consume this world and Arceus along with it. Which may be why Legends Arceus happens in the first place. Arceus summoned a strong trainer from the "future" or a alternate dimension in order to make the world stronger in the past in order to protect it from invasions from outside this world in the future.
The "Shell Giants" aren’t as “creative” as Arceus. The "Shell Giants" can only modify existing Pokemon not create new ones of their own. Arceus is all about creating NEW life. The "Shell Giants" are making more powerful forms of things that already exist…possibly so they can destroy each other and reduce the amount of variety. The "Shell Giants" probably want Arceus to return to the Egg. Wants to bring Arceus back to the womb so they can all be ONE again. The "Shell Giants" are invasive species that don’t belong in this environment. Which means ALL the gimmicks are “evil”. They all start out already defeated by Arceus, which is why they’re all “broken” and need to regain their powers in the games they get introduced in.
Yes, even cute little Terapagos is probably actually a alien invader trying to un-make creation by re-joining with Pokemon God. Terapagos is probably the most successful of these "invaders" so far. Because, there's EVERY chance that the explosion that created the Great Crater of Paldea is also what originally damaged the Treasures of Ruin. The Treasures of Ruin were likely similar to the Tapus of Alola originally. But, they got damaged somehow in the past. So, chances are, Terapagos and the creation of the Great Crater is what damaged the Treasures and is why they all appear "broken" in the present day. And in a way, they still almost fulfill their roles as "Guardians" of the Region, by sealing themselves around the Great Crater where Terapagos lays sleeping.
This also may explain why Legends Arceus didn't give us a new form for Arceus, despite him being the title Legendary. Even though we got Primal Dialga and Palkia. Gamefreak might be waiting to complete this "Shell Giants" storyarc, and give Arceus a Crystal Armor form or something. Gen 10 may give us a new Arceus form, based on him resolving his differences with the "Shell Giants". I do think there's going to be a reconciliation between these groups. Because at the end of the day, these "Shell Giants" don't seem necessarily evil. They're just...clingy.
There actually HAS been an overarching story for these last few Geneartions. Invading Pokemon have gotten stronger and more successful in inbedding themselves into the Regions. Alien Energies have changed more and more Pokemon in greater and more fundamental ways. More Crystals have been showing up around the region, and growing in size, changing the very land. The Giant Trees that protect the land have begun to fail, not being able to keep up with the strength of these Invasive Species. It’s just that it’s happened so slowly and gradually that most people haven’t really been able to notice it. If this had all happened over the course of a single game, people would definitely be noticing this. But, because this is taking place over multiple games over the course of the last 10 years, it’s harder to notice.
And to put the icing on the cake...everything I've said about the "Source" Pokemon, also applies to Kyurem. Kyurem is covered in ice CRYSTALS. Kyurem came from outer space and crash landed, creating the Giant Chasm. There's the White Treehollow for the Giant Tree. Gen 5 is when the Comet Shards and Elemental Gems were introduced for our "crystals" found around the region. Kyurem even has a unique "gimmick" in the form of Absofusion using the DNA Splicers, even if only he can use it on himself. But, even that makes sense if he's the LEAST effective and "first" of these invaders. So, yes, I think the Original Dragon/Komplete Kyurem will turn out to be one of these "Shell Giants", as well. If and when we get new Unova games, I think Absofusion and the DNA Splicers could play a bigger part in the games then they did before. Kyurem (or maybe Giratina) is actually where this whole storyarc started. And chances are, revealing the Original Dragon will signal this story coming full circle towards the end.
So, I think Gen 10 is actually going to be where a lot of this possible background lore could come to a head. Gen 10 could also be said to be Gen X. Or Gen "Cross" in Japanese. I think Gen X could be a “Cross”-Over of all these Gimmicks in a single game. I think ALL the Gimmicks from the last few games will probably be usable in Gen 10. And all this lore will become a lot more clear and brought to the forefront. We might be in for a "Kirby Lore" level reveal in the very near future.
…Or I could be overthinking all this. That’s very possible as well. But, I just have a hunch that all this seemingly background lore that’s been simmering behind the scenes is eventually going to start to boil fairly soon.
So, I’m going to make a prediction. I think for Legends Z-A, Lumiose City’s Prism Tower will be built where one of the Giant Trees used to be. I think building the Prism Tower is going to be what sets off Zygarde in the game and might be what causes it to be “corrupted” with Mega Evolution. Humans destroyed one of the things protecting them from Invaders, and they didn’t even realize it. We’ll see if I’m even close or if the Pokemon Day trailer even hints at anything like that.
Also, have a updated "Arceus Summoning Circle" I made based around this theory:
reddit.com/r/PokeLeaks/comments/1g2gp8u/leaked_og_arceus_lore/
This story mentioned that Arceus was born from a Cosmic Egg and the pieces of his shell turned into Giants and attacked him.
Now, this is clearly a reference to Pangu, from Chinese Mythology. But, the Shell Giants part is unique.
In Legends Arceus, there's a message on one of Arceus's Elemental Plates (specifically the Flame Plate) that says that "The power of defeated giants infuses this plate". So, I think this is still an ongoing plot point. Gamefreak is still using these leaked "myths" as a outline for their world-building. They're just being REALLY subtle about it.
Plate
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net
I think Gamefreak has been SLOWLY giving us these Shell Giants over the last 5 Generations.
I think the Gimmick “Source” Pokemon are basically all pieces of Arceus that are attacking him and and his creation in order to re-join with him. The “Source” Pokemon ARE the “Shell Giants” mentioned in this leaked myth.
All of the "Source" Pokemon have "crystalline" features...like a Cosmic Eggshell would have. Necrozma, Eternatus, and Terapagos all share obvious crystal-like features in common. Even Deoxys has a crystal at it's core, and is a "space virus", and viruses like the bacteriophage have a crystal-like "head" and properties.
And all these gimmicks have some tie to using Crystals to in order to power your Pokemon. Mega Stones. Z Crystals. Dynamax Wishing Stars. Tera Orbs.
All the "Source" Pokemon come from outside the Pokemon World. Either from outer space, or from other dimensions. They're invasive species trying to get a foothold into this world. Almost all of them crashed into the earth and formed some sort of crater. Deoxys TRIED to crash into the earth in it's meteor (or it succeeded landing on Birth Island in Fire Red/Leaf Green). Necrozma landed in the Farthest Hollow or Mount Lanakila depending on if it's SM or USUM. Eternatus got into this world through the Max Lair in the Crown Tundra. Terapagos formed the Great Crater of Paldea.
And in each Generation since Gen 6, the "infection" caused by these "Source" Pokemon spreads a little bit more. In Gen 6, only a handful of Pokemon could even use Mega Evolution. In Gen 7, ALL Pokemon could use Z-Moves, but it caused no physical changes. In Gen 8, ALL Pokemon could use Dynamax, but only a handful could use Gigantamax, which changed their physical appearance. And in Gen 9, ALL Pokemon can use Tera, and ALL the Pokemon are changed in a fundamental way, changing their elemental type.
So, in theory, whatever the Gen 10 gimmick turns out to be should give ALL the Pokemon a radical new appearance in some way. Which...is unlikely given budgets, but it would fit the pattern.
We've also seen other crystals around the various Regions get larger as each Generation goes on. In Gen 6, we saw the Anistar City Sundial, but that was a pretty localized phenomenon. In Gen 7...there isn't really a lot, but the Tapu's do start handing out "Sparkling Stones" and Z-Crystals become more relevant. Gen 8 saw the Max Raid Dens pop up all around the region. And in Gen 9, these crystal like structures are even larger as Tera Raid Dens.
So, again, in theory, Gen 10 should give us "Gimmick Dens" that look like crystals that are even larger than the Tera Raid Den crystals we saw all around Paldea.
There's also the Giant Trees, which seem to be playing a part in all of this. Though, I'm not sure how. I think the Giant Trees are actually a way to "protect" or "purify" the Region from invasion and infection from these "Shell Giant" invaders? I think it ties into how certain trees are seen as "sacred" and have spiritual "purifying" properties in Shintoism. The Giant Trees are most likely some sort of defense against foreign invaders.
In Gen 6, Coumarine's Grass Gym is one Giant Tree. In ORAS, they also added a special Tree with Az's Floette's Eternal Flowers on it to the entrance to Sootopolis City's Cave of Origin. Gen 7 has Poni Island's Battle Tree. Gen 8 has the Dyna Tree in the Crown Tundra. Gen 9 has the Crystal Tree in the Area Zero Underdepths. Again, in each successive Generation, the Trees seem to become more and more "infected" by the Region's "gimmick". Possibly showing that whatever "purifying" power these Giant Trees have is being overwhelmed by the invasive power these "source" Pokemon are bringing in with them?
So, again, in theory, Gen 10 should have another Giant Tree, which will likely be completely consumed by whatever the "Gimmick" for that Generation is.
So, to put this all together, I think these "Source" Pokemon are actually the "Shell Giants" from that leaked Gamefreak creation myth. And I think all these "Shell Giants" are trying to re-join with Arceus. I think they're trying to put Arceus BACK into the Cosmic Shell he was birthed from, so they can all be a part of him again. They want to return to what they used to be. So, they're trying to infuse the world with their powers in order to consume this world and Arceus along with it. Which may be why Legends Arceus happens in the first place. Arceus summoned a strong trainer from the "future" or a alternate dimension in order to make the world stronger in the past in order to protect it from invasions from outside this world in the future.
The "Shell Giants" aren’t as “creative” as Arceus. The "Shell Giants" can only modify existing Pokemon not create new ones of their own. Arceus is all about creating NEW life. The "Shell Giants" are making more powerful forms of things that already exist…possibly so they can destroy each other and reduce the amount of variety. The "Shell Giants" probably want Arceus to return to the Egg. Wants to bring Arceus back to the womb so they can all be ONE again. The "Shell Giants" are invasive species that don’t belong in this environment. Which means ALL the gimmicks are “evil”. They all start out already defeated by Arceus, which is why they’re all “broken” and need to regain their powers in the games they get introduced in.
Yes, even cute little Terapagos is probably actually a alien invader trying to un-make creation by re-joining with Pokemon God. Terapagos is probably the most successful of these "invaders" so far. Because, there's EVERY chance that the explosion that created the Great Crater of Paldea is also what originally damaged the Treasures of Ruin. The Treasures of Ruin were likely similar to the Tapus of Alola originally. But, they got damaged somehow in the past. So, chances are, Terapagos and the creation of the Great Crater is what damaged the Treasures and is why they all appear "broken" in the present day. And in a way, they still almost fulfill their roles as "Guardians" of the Region, by sealing themselves around the Great Crater where Terapagos lays sleeping.
Raifort/Quotes
bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net
This also may explain why Legends Arceus didn't give us a new form for Arceus, despite him being the title Legendary. Even though we got Primal Dialga and Palkia. Gamefreak might be waiting to complete this "Shell Giants" storyarc, and give Arceus a Crystal Armor form or something. Gen 10 may give us a new Arceus form, based on him resolving his differences with the "Shell Giants". I do think there's going to be a reconciliation between these groups. Because at the end of the day, these "Shell Giants" don't seem necessarily evil. They're just...clingy.
There actually HAS been an overarching story for these last few Geneartions. Invading Pokemon have gotten stronger and more successful in inbedding themselves into the Regions. Alien Energies have changed more and more Pokemon in greater and more fundamental ways. More Crystals have been showing up around the region, and growing in size, changing the very land. The Giant Trees that protect the land have begun to fail, not being able to keep up with the strength of these Invasive Species. It’s just that it’s happened so slowly and gradually that most people haven’t really been able to notice it. If this had all happened over the course of a single game, people would definitely be noticing this. But, because this is taking place over multiple games over the course of the last 10 years, it’s harder to notice.
And to put the icing on the cake...everything I've said about the "Source" Pokemon, also applies to Kyurem. Kyurem is covered in ice CRYSTALS. Kyurem came from outer space and crash landed, creating the Giant Chasm. There's the White Treehollow for the Giant Tree. Gen 5 is when the Comet Shards and Elemental Gems were introduced for our "crystals" found around the region. Kyurem even has a unique "gimmick" in the form of Absofusion using the DNA Splicers, even if only he can use it on himself. But, even that makes sense if he's the LEAST effective and "first" of these invaders. So, yes, I think the Original Dragon/Komplete Kyurem will turn out to be one of these "Shell Giants", as well. If and when we get new Unova games, I think Absofusion and the DNA Splicers could play a bigger part in the games then they did before. Kyurem (or maybe Giratina) is actually where this whole storyarc started. And chances are, revealing the Original Dragon will signal this story coming full circle towards the end.
So, I think Gen 10 is actually going to be where a lot of this possible background lore could come to a head. Gen 10 could also be said to be Gen X. Or Gen "Cross" in Japanese. I think Gen X could be a “Cross”-Over of all these Gimmicks in a single game. I think ALL the Gimmicks from the last few games will probably be usable in Gen 10. And all this lore will become a lot more clear and brought to the forefront. We might be in for a "Kirby Lore" level reveal in the very near future.
…Or I could be overthinking all this. That’s very possible as well. But, I just have a hunch that all this seemingly background lore that’s been simmering behind the scenes is eventually going to start to boil fairly soon.
So, I’m going to make a prediction. I think for Legends Z-A, Lumiose City’s Prism Tower will be built where one of the Giant Trees used to be. I think building the Prism Tower is going to be what sets off Zygarde in the game and might be what causes it to be “corrupted” with Mega Evolution. Humans destroyed one of the things protecting them from Invaders, and they didn’t even realize it. We’ll see if I’m even close or if the Pokemon Day trailer even hints at anything like that.
Also, have a updated "Arceus Summoning Circle" I made based around this theory:
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