Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

[Thylacine 2000]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791091421149082032

The UCLA protestors had been violent and antisemitic before that point, with no one in charge making them stop.

Tense moment involving taser at UCLA amid encampment, protest

A brief outburst of violence at UCLA amid ongoing protests left one woman detained by campus security.

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Eli Tsives on Instagram: "They didn’t let me get to class using the main entrance! Instead they forced me to walk around. Shame on these people!"

235K likes, 49K comments - tsiveseli on April 29, 2024: "They didn’t let me get to class using the main entrance! Instead they forced me to walk around. Shame on these people!".

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Jewish demonstrator pepper sprayed at UCLA

Cheryl De Rose went to UCLA's campus to show support for pro-Israeli demonstrators, but said she was pepper sprayed by a pro-Palestine protester.

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Melissa Chapman on Instagram: "⚠️ Jewish girl at @ucla sent to the ER after being beaten unconscious by pro-Hamas protesters. We are seconds away from Jews getting murdered on the streets. When does this insanity ends? credit collin rugg"

melissaschapman on May 1, 2024: "⚠️ Jewish girl at @ucla sent to the ER after being beaten unconscious by pro-Hamas protesters. We are seconds away from Jews getting murdered on the streets. When does this insanity ends? credit collin rugg".

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It was only treated as a story when enough incidents accumulated and the mob of counter protestors got very organized. If the schools had been doing their jobs guaranteeing safe access for all students, none of this would have happened.

 

[MrBlud]

I feel like being pepper sprayed and/or beaten to unconsciousness is several galaxies away from “They made me use a side entrance”.

Inconvenience (without threat) is the heart of protesting.

 

[Thylacine 2000]

Singling out minorities for exclusion from campus is a threat, not an inconvenience.

 

[MrBlud]

I assumed they were blocking *everyone* from the main entrance and making them go around.

If they were allowing everyone in *except* Jewish people than yes that would be wrong (and dumb!)

 

[Paladin]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793006351058186622

so what's the DOWNSIDE here???

 

[Thylacine 2000]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1793006351058186622

so what's the DOWNSIDE here???

I know you never read or respond to anything here, but:

The whole point of an ICC warrant is that it is done for countries that don't have free judicial systems. For years and years and years the ICC has correctly noted that Israel does have that, so they themselves didn't have jurisdiction and wouldn't intervene. Netanyahu's judicial overhaul failed, he is still under criminal indictment. Having the ICC step in now says they are abandoning their own standards - but their opinions totes still have moral authority, guys! - and that the fight for an independent judiciary in Israel actually wasn't worthwhile, nevermind.

Basically it's a "Bush v. Gore" decision but done by leftists.

ALL of these international governing bodies are worthless on I/P, except those that are actively harmful.

 

[Teufel]

Exchange of gunfire between Egyptian and Israeli forces at the Rafah border crossing leaves at least one Egyptian dead.

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A member of Egypt's security forces was killed in a shooting incident near the Rafah border crossing between Egypt and the Gaza Strip and an investigation is under way, Egypt's military spokesperson said in a statement on Monday.

Israel's military had earlier said it was investigating reports of an exchange of fire between Israeli and Egyptian soldiers.

"A few hours ago (Monday), a shooting incident occurred on the Egyptian border. The incident is under review and discussions are being held with the Egyptians," the Israeli military said in a statement.

Israel seized control of the Rafah border crossing from the Gaza side of the border earlier this month as it stepped up its military offensive in the area, drawing strong criticism from Egypt.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Is everyone in power out there intent on maintaining a broken, violent status quo?

 

[Pale Rider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1794793567543509201

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

It's not a human rights problem if you don't consider the victims human.

 

[Thylacine 2000]

I'm sure Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. It's basically impossible to have a war without them.

We have already explored here in some length how dishonest and unreliable the Federalist Society - I mean, Human Rights Watch is.

 

[Paladin]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/politics/rafah-camp-attack-biden-israel-support/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=blueskyCNN&utm_content=2024-05-28T23:15:21

no amount of dead civilians will ever be enough for America to change its mind.

 

[MrBlud]

Nikki Haley Writes ‘Finish Them!’ on Israeli Artillery Shells After Refugee Massacre

Jesus ******* Christ…

 

[Teufel]

The humanitarian pier was a PR stunt and a complete failure even as that.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1795512061213982725

 

[Spin-Out]

I'm sure Israel is committing war crimes in Gaza. It's basically impossible to have a war without them.

We have already explored here in some length how dishonest and unreliable the Federalist Society - I mean, Human Rights Watch is.

Stop calling it a war. It's a genocide.

 

[Thylacine 2000]

Stop calling it a war. It's a genocide.

No. Retconning every war in the world for the last century at least into also having been genocide is bad, actually.

 

[wonko the sane?]

He's not wrong about gaza though, this is israel getting away with attempted genocide.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Genocide IS war.

 

[Thylacine 2000]

He's not wrong about gaza though, this is israel getting away with attempted genocide.

So we quickly went from "genocide" to "attempted genocide." What will be next, "suggested genocide"? It is no such thing at all. It is killing a lot of people, which is horrible and may encompass other crimes and is not a synonym for genocide.

The Nuremberg Trials were pretty clear on this. Marching a death squad door-to-door to stab and torture 10,000 civilians to death is genocide. Flying your air force over that death squad's country and bombing so many military targets that you kill 20,000 civilians is not.

https://martinkramer.org/2023/10/26/nazi_case_for_hamas/

During trial testimony, the prosecutor pressed [Einsatzgruppen commander] Ohlendorf: “You were going out to shoot down defenseless people. Now, didn’t the question of the morality of that enter your mind?” Ohlendorf referred to the Allied bombings of Germany as a context:

I am not in a position to isolate this occurrence from the occurrences of 1943, 1944, and 1945 where with my own hands I took children and women out of the burning asphalt myself, and with my own hands I took big blocks of stone from the stomachs of pregnant women; and with my own eyes I saw 60,000 people die within 24 hours.

A judge immediately pointed out that his own killing spree preceded those bombings. But this would become known as the “Dresden defense,” to which Ohlendorf resorted still another time, in this exchange:

Ohlendorf: I have seen very many children killed in this war through air attacks, for the security of other nations, and orders were carried out to bomb, no matter whether many children were killed or not.
Q: Now, I think we are getting somewhere, Mr. Ohlendorf. You saw German children killed by Allied bombers and that is what you are referring to?
Ohlendorf: Yes, I have seen it.
Q: Do you attempt to draw a moral comparison between the bomber who drops bombs hoping that it will not kill children and yourself who shot children deliberately? Is that a fair moral comparison ?
Ohlendorf: I cannot imagine that those planes which systematically covered a city that was a fortified city, square meter for square meter, with incendiaries and explosive bombs and again with phosphorus bombs, and this done from block to block, and then as I have seen it in Dresden likewise the squares where the civilian population had fled to—that these men could possibly hope not to kill any civilian population, and no children.

Ohlendorf thought this defense so powerful that he invoked it yet another time:

The fact that individual men killed civilians face to face is looked upon as terrible and is pictured as specially gruesome because the order was clearly given to kill these people; but I cannot morally evaluate a deed any better, a deed which makes it possible, by pushing a button, to kill a much larger number of civilians, men, women, and children.

The chief prosecutor, an American, called this particular iteration “exactly what a fanatical pseudo-intellectual SS-man might well believe.”

At Nuremberg, this sort of tu quoque defense (“I shouldn’t be punished because they did it too”) wasn’t admissible. Still, in the verdict of the Einsatzgruppen Trial, the judges chose to refute it. “It was submitted,” the judges wrote, “that the defendants must be exonerated from the charge of killing civilian populations since every Allied nation brought about the death of noncombatants through the instrumentality of bombing.” The judges would have none of it:

A city is bombed for tactical purposes… it inevitably happens that nonmilitary persons are killed. This is an incident, a grave incident to be sure, but an unavoidable corollary of battle action. The civilians are not individualized. The bomb falls, it is aimed at the railroad yards, houses along the tracks are hit and many of their occupants killed. But that is entirely different, both in fact and in law, from an armed force marching up to these same railroad tracks, entering those houses abutting thereon, dragging out the men, women and children and shooting them.

The tribunal sentenced Ohlendorf to death. He was hanged in June 1951.

 

[wonko the sane?]

1.) it's attempted cause they haven't succeeded yet. It will be attempted when it's all finally over and israel is punished for their crimes.

2.) Israel is in fact conducting door to door sweeps. We don't really know more because of how much they're controlling access to gaza.

If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...