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Thylacine 2000 said:
The Left is more antisemitic than the Right.
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the left has its fair share of antisemitic morons, but rightoids are literal ******* nazi wannabes who openly want to do a second holocaust and christofascist MAGA cultists who spew QAnon bullshit (aka repackaged blood libel) every goddamn day.

the difference is there's plenty of rational people on the left who want nothing to do with antisemitic fuckwads, while the right has completely embraced open, virulent antisemitism.

the left absolutely needs to do a better job at kicking antisemites out than it's currently doing, though. tankies, nazbols and campists should absolutely be punched just as hard as nazis and other fascists.
 
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Thylacine 2000 said:
The Left is more antisemitic than the Right.
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It wouldn't have been long ago (maybe 5, no more than 10 years) that I would've disagreed. But no longer, after seeing it on display for all to see here in Canada the last half year or so.

But just listen to the disgusting antisemitic rambling nonsense spouted by one of the volunteers for the riding's Liberal candidate. Accusing the Conservative's deputy leader (who is Jewish) of writing letters to the Jewish community, telling them not to vote Liberal. The Jewish community in this riding, and indeed all over Canada, have a right to be furious with the Liberals and their wishy-washy attempts to play both sides, but really seeming more more sympathetic to Palestine in their actions. In the eyes of many, the Liberals have completely betrayed the country's Jewish population, and I think it's going to hurt them more badly than they suspect in the next general election.

His "electoral interference" ramblings are no better than any of the assorted bullshit conspiracy theories floating around these days. To hear nonsense like this come from a self-professed "progressive", and a supporter of a party I used to support, is revolting. They're really scraping the bottom of the barrel in terms of supporters these days, if that's what turns up to volunteer and you actually have to let them.

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And of course all of this while we have a homeless man, probably coked out of his mind, sleeping it off on the doorstep of the Liberal's campaign office, emblematic of so may of the things wrong with Canada today.

Does Rebel News have an agenda? They sure do. But they didn't even need to try here, the whole scene is so goddamn tone-deaf.
 
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m.jpost.com

Meretz, Labor Party sign agreement to merge parties under new party name 'The Democrats'

The parties noted that the move was historic as it was not a technical bloc, but rather the formation of one large and united party.
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This isn’t directly connected to the conflict, but Israel’s Labour Party is dissolving to be replaced by a new party. Pretty momentous – the party ruled Israel for its first three decades as its earlier incarnation Mapai, and was still a big player in Israeli politics until relatively recently.
 
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Microsoft cutting crucial link to Gaza, Palestinians say

More than 20 Palestinians say they have been kicked off Skype, a popular tool for contacting relatives.
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tl;dr Palestinians trying to talk to family in Gaza using Skype are getting their Microsoft accounts terminated for "violation of terms of service" with no warning, but no indication as to which terms they violated, and is taking no appeals on it.

Also Gaza City is being told to totally evacuate again.
 
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Thylacine 2000

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Netanyahu should not be coming here.

I supported him addressing Congress about the Iran deal, which was a very bad policy that needed much more scrutiny than it got. But now, after he has so plainly put his own interests above those of his country, after he directly and incontrovertibly enabled the security lapses leading to 10/7 and well over 80% of Israelis hold him responsible for it, and when he has strongly perverse incentives to keep the bombing campaign going indefinitely to prevent multiple investigations against him.... no, he should be over and done with. He shouldn't be saying anything on any stage again, except for his goodbye (one way or another).
 
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Israeli lawmaker defends alleged rape of Hamas prisoner as far-right protesters rage over IDF troops' detention

“Lawmaker Hanoch Milwidsky was asked as he defended the alleged abuse whether it was legitimate, "to insert a stick into a person's rectum?"

"Yes!" he shouted in reply to his fellow parliamentarian. "If he is a Nukhba [Hamas militant], everything is legitimate to do! Everything!"

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Wasn’t he the one whose Grandkids died and he cheered “their martyrdom”?

He’ll be roasting for near eternity.
 
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John Oliver discusses how the West Bank settlements came to be, what their presence means for everyone in the region, and why the weight of the world rests squarely on the shoulders of Ben & Jerry’s.
 
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I hope no one else in this thread ever has to experience John Oliver "explaining" a topic they know very well.

  • As of June 1, 1967, everyone living in the West Bank was a Jordanian, with Jordanian citizenship. Denizens of every village had ritually, publicly renounced having any "Palestinian" identity. The very name "WEST Bank" is a Jordanian invention meant to justify their invasion and occupation of land that the U.N. had designated as a new Palestinian state, because Jordan-the-country said the West Bank of the Jordan River should be reunited with the East Bank (which they already had). Why would anyone living uniquely there name their homeland West Anything? Does Japan call itself East China?
  • When the PLO was formed in 1964, it renounced any claim on the Jordanian West Bank (and Egyptian Gaza). The only "Palestine" to be "liberated" was Israel.
  • Israel begged Jordan twice not to join the war of aggression and genocide against them in 1967, and if they hadn't joined it there would be no occupied West Bank today.
  • Israel repeatedly offered the West Bank back to Jordan in exchange for a peace treaty, and Jordan refused. After repeated clashes with Palestinian terror cells attempting to overthrow the Jordanian government, Jordan no longer wanted to fully absorb all those people, and normalized with Israel in 1994 without demanding the WB back. They had also stripped nearly all WB Jordanians-of-Palestinian-ancestry of their Jordanian citizenship in 1988, making them just Palestinians - and stateless again.
    • Note that Israel had also offered the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt after 1967, which also refused, and then Israel built settlements there for years, and then when Egypt was ready to recognize them Israel demolished the settlements and yanked the settlers out. There were even talks in the 1990s of returning the Golan Heights to Syria in exchange for a peace treaty (which went nowhere, thankfully). The point is that "land for peace" had been the operating international mindset for 30-40 years and it is dishonest to only talk about settlement building during those periods, when the model was to use those as a negotiating tactic. As late as 2014, Israeli negotiators were matter-of-factly telling their Palestinian counterparts that settler homes would be demolished for the sake of a deal.
  • The Oslo process broke down for a bunch of reasons of which one of the less important was Yitzhak Rabin's assassination, which Oliver mentions, and the most important was Yasir Arafat refusing Ehud Barak's offers in 2000 and 2001, which Oliver doesn't mention. There was another offer made for a Palestinian West Bank in 2008 by Ehud Olmert, also refused, also unmentioned by Oliver.
    • (Yes, I said Rabin's assassination was of less importance to the failure of the peace process. Rabin was to the right of Netanyahu on some issues, against the very concept of a Palestinian state, Netanyahu at least claiming to accept it under certain strict terms. Anything Rabin could possibly have offered would have been less generous than what Barak offered in 2000 and 2001 which Arafat refused. The truly tragic death within the peace process was that of Ariel Sharon, who saw the Israeli pullout from Gaza in 2006 as a prototype for a final pullout from the West Bank - the largest settlements would have been linked to Israel and each other via armored highways and tunnels, the remote ones abandoned and left with a choice of either roughing it on their own or emigrating into the biggest settlements or Israel proper. If Sharon's stroke had been even 1 year later, the Middle East would be a very different place.)

I could keep going but I really don't enjoy doing this. It fills me with despair every time the progressive leftist edition of Dennis Miller releases another programming update for privileged college students who had never heard of this topic a year ago, yet who thanks to him know which United Nations "court" to invoke as an ultimate moral authority even as they point out how racist and corrupt and illegitimate the U.S. Supreme Court is. There is about to be another wave of giant bombardment between Iran and Israel, and Oliver and his audience will see Israeli deaths as (at best) unfortunate but understandable whereas the dead in Palestine and other surrounding nations will be life-changingly, world-ruiningly catastrophic.
 
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PrimalxConvoy said:
More (admittedly slightly dated) info on the West Bank:

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Those videos about annexation aren't "dated" as much as they are misled. They're from June and July 2020, when the Israeli government had been filling the airwaves with sudden talk of annexation for no sensible reason, with no apparent preparation or planning - no info or maps or schedules sent to the military or security sectors, the diplomatic corps, or even the settlers themselves. Of course, September 2020 saw the launch of the Abraham Accords, where four Arab states normalized with Israel in exchange for dropping the "annexation" plans that hadn't really existed. The whole thing was, in the truest sense of the term, a Zionist conspiracy false-flag.

As for Hebron - the small section where Jewish settlers live is pretty much the ugliest face of the occupation. And as bad as that is, it is still better than what it had been for the prior 700 years or so, during the years of "peaceful coexistence" when one Muslim government after another forbade Jews from riding horses, carrying weapons, or testifying in court - meaning they were always weak, dirty, and defenseless - and also banned them from entering the Tomb of the Patriarchs (2nd holiest site in Judaism) or even from climbing the staircase outside to be able to see it straight-on. After the 1929 Hebron Massacre, the town's ancient Jewish community was totally eliminated such that in the 1937 and 1947 partition plans, the Yishuv accepted that there would be absolutely no Jewish presence or access in Hebron at all.

Pro-Palestine charities have quietly admitted over the years that the situation in the West Bank is much safer than outsiders believe. When they recruit Western college students to volunteer at their NGOs, time and time again the message is "You will be safe as long as you don't personally assault a soldier. We live a normal life." Many examples to be seen here:

 
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At least one Palestinian has died after dozens of Israeli settlers set fire to homes and cars in a village in the occupied West Bank.

The White House said the attack - the latest in a series on West Bank villages - was "unacceptable" while the Israeli government said those involved would be "apprehended".

Video from the village of Jit showed homes and cars on fire. Another Palestinian was critically wounded by gunfire from the settlers.

More than 600 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli fire in the West Bank since the start of the Israel-Hamas war.

Full story: https://news.sky.com/story/masked-i...bombs-in-attack-on-west-bank-village-13197674
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