Citation please.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
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Since you said you specifically looked for Iranian colonialism in Lebanon and couldn't find it, I'm legitimately willing to give a starting point:
Iranian influence in Lebanon - Wikipedia
As for Palestinian groups undermining Lebanon into civil war:
The contentious history of Palestinian armed resistance in Lebanon
The Israeli war on Gaza has recalled the troubled history of Palestinian armed resistance in Lebanon - which remains a divisive topic
www.middleeasteye.net
In general, citations are not needed for basic knowledge. When someone posts here "Israelis are used to the risk of terrorism and conflict but Lebanon knows nothing of such things" and I write a long paragraph summarizing 80 years of basic history showing otherwise, that's sufficient. Anyone involved in a truly good faith dialogue whose first response to a mention of a Lebanese Civil War is "What's that?" needs to take it upon themself to look it up.
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Since you said you specifically looked for Iranian colonialism in Lebanon and couldn't find it, I'm legitimately willing to give a starting point:
Iranian influence in Lebanon - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
As for Palestinian groups undermining Lebanon into civil war:
The contentious history of Palestinian armed resistance in Lebanon
The Israeli war on Gaza has recalled the troubled history of Palestinian armed resistance in Lebanon - which remains a divisive topic
In general, citations are not needed for basic knowledge. When someone posts here "Israelis are used to the risk of terrorism and conflict but Lebanon knows nothing of such things" and I write a long paragraph summarizing 80 years of basic history showing otherwise, that's sufficient. Anyone involved in a truly good faith dialogue whose first response to a mention of a Lebanese Civil War is "What's that?" needs to take it upon themself to look it up.
Thanks for the info. However, I'm sorry, but the links you supplied didn't seem to mention anything about your claim that "Beirut...was colonized and gutted by Palestinian and Iranian militias..." .
Perhaps I've misread them?
Both articles are filled with examples of Iranian and Palestinian militias undermining Lebanon's governmental sovereignty and military authority, weakening the economy, actively killing Lebanese people to broaden their territorial control, and staging attacks from Lebanese soil that caused large and deadly conflicts with Israel. There is an entire section of the second link titled "Civil War," detailing how Palestinian militias caused it. I actually did start to copy-paste in here, and then when it hit a 6 paragraph text wall I stopped, it was going to wind up copy-pasting about 3/4ths of the first one and more than half of the second.
You recently posted the Wikipedia page about ALL OF LEBANON - everything! Parliament, language, economy, food, mountains and rivers - and thought that was a worthwhile use of a source, like you expected people to read it for the sake of one post in one thread. What you are now presented with are two specific articles all about Iranian and Palestinian militias using force to control Lebanese territory, society, and life, and the terrible destruction that has all caused. Try reading them again.
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Thank you for your explanation. However, regardless of that, it doesn't seem that your claim that Lebanon was actually "colonised" though. Perhaps you should have used another term?
Confirmed kills so far from the decapitation strike on Hezbollah HQ
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Dead - Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah
Dead - Ali Karki, Hezbollah Southern Front Commander
Dead - IRGC General Abbas Nilforoushan, de facto deputy of the Iranian Quds Force.
Abbas was also apparently in charge of crushing protests in Iran in 2022 that began after religious police beat Mahsa Amini to death for not wearing a headscarf.
Just want to point out the insanity of the talk from some pundit/analysis/etc corners about escalation and Israel drawing Iran into the war when a top Iranian general's camped out in the Hezbollah HQ bunker coordinating with the Iranian armed, trained, and funded proxies. "Draw Iran in" they're already up to their elbows in this and have been since October 7th.
Today another Hezbollah commander killed in an airstrike
Good riddance to every last one of these scumbags.
Oh, and Iran's Supreme Leader is now in hiding.
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Dead - Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah
Dead - Ali Karki, Hezbollah Southern Front Commander
Dead - IRGC General Abbas Nilforoushan, de facto deputy of the Iranian Quds Force.
Abbas was also apparently in charge of crushing protests in Iran in 2022 that began after religious police beat Mahsa Amini to death for not wearing a headscarf.
Just want to point out the insanity of the talk from some pundit/analysis/etc corners about escalation and Israel drawing Iran into the war when a top Iranian general's camped out in the Hezbollah HQ bunker coordinating with the Iranian armed, trained, and funded proxies. "Draw Iran in" they're already up to their elbows in this and have been since October 7th.
Today another Hezbollah commander killed in an airstrike
Good riddance to every last one of these scumbags.
Oh, and Iran's Supreme Leader is now in hiding.
Points to the Israeli Intelligence system. The strikes they've pulled off on the heads of these organizations is very impressive.
Obviously no one would celebrate any innocent civilian death, but that is why terrorist organizations hide behind them as much as possible.
Obviously no one would celebrate any innocent civilian death, but that is why terrorist organizations hide behind them as much as possible.
Good for them.
Following a number of strikes killing several Hezbollah leaders and a Iranian General supporting them and proxies...
Earlier today, Iran launched a major missile attack against Isreal, amounting to "dozens" of missiles. An IDF air base was hit, though a large percentage were intercepted by Israeli and US Navy anti-missile defenses.
Earlier today, Iran launched a major missile attack against Isreal, amounting to "dozens" of missiles. An IDF air base was hit, though a large percentage were intercepted by Israeli and US Navy anti-missile defenses.
I mean, he's right that it's been the Biden Administration's position for a very long time. It always been a kind of Underpants Gnome logic of
1.) Ceasefire
2.) ?
3.) Destroy Hamas
that doesn't make a whole lot of sense from the perspective of either side of the conflict.
So that's old news. More interesting is Hamas not participating in talks for weeks, but Mehdi Hasan/Zeteo's position has always been Israel must surrender and has no right to self defense so I guess that's why they skipped over that part. I imagine this will follow the familiar pattern of the Biden Administration saying Hamas is being an obstacle to peace and then when Hamas doesn't actually budge Biden just tries to pressure Israel to concede more to Hamas.
1.) Ceasefire
2.) ?
3.) Destroy Hamas
that doesn't make a whole lot of sense from the perspective of either side of the conflict.
So that's old news. More interesting is Hamas not participating in talks for weeks, but Mehdi Hasan/Zeteo's position has always been Israel must surrender and has no right to self defense so I guess that's why they skipped over that part. I imagine this will follow the familiar pattern of the Biden Administration saying Hamas is being an obstacle to peace and then when Hamas doesn't actually budge Biden just tries to pressure Israel to concede more to Hamas.
Netanyahu is intent on having a new, large scale war in the middle east.
Well, this feels nothing if creepy like a transnational crime syndicate.