Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

[PrimalxConvoy]

Ireland to ask ICJ to expand genocide definition in South Africa case against Israel

"By legally intervening in South Africa’s case, Ireland will be asking the ICJ to broaden its interpretation of what constitutes the commission of genocide by a State," the announcement read.

m.jpost.com

If you can't find enough evidence to prove the case, change the definitions to match whatever you found. Presto! No different from Trump using a sharpie to make up a new hurricane path.

Or, perhaps an improved or more recent interpretation of the legal term might be useful, especially in this case?

After all, it's a rather complicated term:

- https://www.un.org/en/un-chronicle/global-challenges-defining-genocide-responses-renewed-debates

Updating legal procedures or legal register (lexis) isn't a new thing, right? I don't really see this as the same as changing reality, such as the actual destination of a natural disaster.

 

[Thylacine 2000]

The point of that article is that genocide should not be considered worse than any other war crime. Which is... interesting... not a stance I think most people believe.... and clearly not what is motivating the ICJ case.

If all war crimes are equally bad and it's particularly hard to prove that one, people would have started with one easier to prove.

 

[Teufel]

Hmm, I don't remember anyone making the accusation of genocide saying it was a complicated matter before. You had one side saying Israel wasn't committing genocide and you had the other saying they clearly were. Now almost exactly a year after South Africa filed the initial charge the definition is being massaged and suddenly well, hey, it's complicated. Did something materially change in the last several months of this conflict as it pertains to this? No, in fact the number of civilians Israel kills in its military actions has dramatically reduced as the nature of the war changed.

It'd be one thing with the start of the case or the initial months they'd done this. A year later if it goes through it'd be action of a kangaroo court, but I can't get to outraged because as I made clear in my earlier post where I took a big jive on these international institutions they are jokes. They prove it time and time again.

 

[NovaSaber]

Ireland is involved in the genocide case against Myanmar too, and it's not entirely clear that their reason for asking for a broader definition is actually linked to their opinion on whether or not Israel's actions meet the current definition.
And even if that is their reason, it's still an entire other country getting involved, not goalpost-moving by the existing case.

 

[Thylacine 2000]

Funny coincidence: In 2022, Amnesty International invented a new definition of "apartheid" so Israel could be guilty of it, and they specifically said they also judged Myanmar guilty of their new definition. It seems to be the preferred bit of window-dressing for European leftists to disguise fake work product.

And speaking of fake work product, here's another "expert" from one of the most prestigious news orgs in the world who doesn't know anything about the Middle East at all:

x.com

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[Teufel]

I think you need to change the address to twitter.com instead of x for it to show the actual tweet on this forum instead of just a link.

That's so egregiously wrong and flies in the face of a key feature of the demographics of the Middle East (the near complete cleansing of Jews from everywhere but Israel) it's hard to believe it's just a goof or ignorance. But looking into Damascus a little bit there is a part of the city still often called the Jewish Quarter so maybe not knowing anything about anything she heard that and made an assumption.

Similar to how professional antisemitic dummy Candace Owens went to Israel and not knowing anything about anything assumed Jerusalem's Muslim Quarter having that name meant Muslims couldn't go anywhere but that part of the city.

 

[Anonymous X]

Just a pointer, the Irish government that made those claims is a centre-right government (Ireland has two virtually identical conservative parties, Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael, who are in coalition together).

 

[Teufel]

The Palestinian Authority is cracking down on Hamas and Islamic Jihad linked terrorists in Jenin.

Link

Palestinian Authority security forces killed a commander of the Islamic Jihad terror group’s Jenin Brigade early Saturday morning, sparking clashes in the West Bank city, Palestinian media reported.

Gunshots and explosions could be heard in the city and PA forces set up checkpoints around the city, that has been a hotebed for terror groups in recent years.

The Palestinian Islamic Jihad commander was named in the reports as Yazid Jaysa, who is said to have been wanted by both the PA and Israel. There was no immediate confirmation from Islamic Jihad.

The operation was part of a larger PA crack down against terror groups in Jenin, which the PA says is to restore security and stability to the area and comes as Ramallah appears to be trying to signal that it could play a significant role in managing a post-war Gaza Strip.

One thing that stood out to me is they are raiding hospitals and searching ambulances. When Israel did this in Gaza the usual suspects cried genocide and said the IDF was lying about Hamas using them, but when the PA wants to find terrorists in the West Bank that's exactly where they go looking too.

Link

Sources told Al Jazeera that PA forces also surrounded the Jenin Government Hospital, searched ambulances, and stormed Ibn Sina Hospital.

 

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