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[Sabrblade]

The Wiki considers him the same character as Bayverse Sentinel Prime, despite sharing almost no design elements with him (if I was being charitable his shield blade thing KINDA invokes DotM Sentinel's
shield but that feels like a stretch).

The wiki's current organization of TF One characters is based on the fact that the movie is still a theatrical film made by Paramount with most of the exact same production staff who made all of the live action movies, some of whom keep insisting that this movie is a prequel to those movies (at the very least, a prequel to the 2007 movie). Whether it's in the same continuity as those films or not remains to be seen, but the amount of connective tissue shared behind-the-scenes between this movie and the live action ones is enough for the Wiki to, at the moment, consider it apart of the same "continuity family" at the very least.

Think like how Marvel Sentinel Prime, Cartoon U-Haul Robot, And IDW Sentinel Prime all look nothing alike, but are all considered to be variations of G1 Sentinel Prime in separate individual continuities within the same continuity family.

 

[LordGigaIce]

The wiki's current organization of TF One characters is based on the fact that the movie is still a theatrical film made by Paramount with most of the exact same production staff who made all of the live action movies, some of whom keep insisting that this movie is a prequel to those movies (at the very least, a prequel to the 2007 movie). Whether it's in the same continuity as those films or not remains to be seen, but the amount of production threads shared between this movie and the live action ones is enough for the Wiki to, at the moment, consider it apart of the same "continuity family" at the very least.

Think like how Marvel Sentinel Prime, Cartoon U-Haul Robot, And IDW Sentinel Prime all look nothing alike, but are all considered to be variations of G1 Sentinel Prime in separate individual continuities within the same continuity family.

That's fair. I'd argue that a modern live action film series would be tighter than something like G1 which had multiple iterations out of the gate and plenty of drift as it's still being added to forty years later but the way the Bay films treated continuity- and the way the producers of the two post-Bay films can't decide if they're prequels or reboots- this approach is probably for the best

 

[LordGigaIce]

What do you call a flock of jerks?

 

[Donocropolis]

What do you call a flock of jerks?

Congress!

*rimshot*

 

[LordGigaIce]

This is the worst thing I've ever done and I apologize before hand.

 

[Superomegaprime]

This is the worst thing I've ever done and I apologize before hand.

You forgot the limbo to go behind the autotroopers

 

[Haze Arquebus]

The Wiki considers him the same character as Bayverse Sentinel Prime, despite sharing almost no design elements with him (if I was being charitable his shield blade thing KINDA invokes DotM Sentinel's shield but that feels like a stretch).

Yeah, I had forgotten that TFOne both had a Sentinel in its lineup, and that they're doing the "it's totally the same continuity, we swear" thing with it and the regular movies like they did back in the day with the Aligned stuff.

 

[Gizmoboy]

Yeah, I had forgotten that TFOne both had a Sentinel in its lineup, and that they're doing the "it's totally the same continuity, we swear" thing with it and the regular movies like they did back in the day with the Aligned stuff.

But I don't think they've officially came out and said "Same Continuity" or "Soft Reboot" or anything yet, have they? Also, if TFone does well at the box office, we may be seeing more of this. It seems to be testing really well, but that doesn't always transition to box office success.

 

[LordGigaIce]

But I don't think they've officially came out and said "Same Continuity" or "Soft Reboot" or anything yet, have they? Also, if TFone does well at the box office, we may be seeing more of this. It seems to be testing really well, but that doesn't always transition to box office success.

As Sabrblade has said various people attached to TF One have called it a prequel to the live action movies.
Whether that means all of them, just the Bay ones, just the first Bay one, or just the BB-RotB series (itself either a reboot or prequel depending on who you ask) remains to be seen.

Or hell it may tie into none of them and do its own thing, being another "iteration" of a broader movie continuity family, kind of like how G1 gets reinvented every now and then but it's all "G1"

 

[Sabrblade]

It's funny. The whole backstory of Optimus and Megatron having once been friends and allies who were as close as brothers, before later falling out over clashing ideologies (and Megatron thinking Optimus betrayed him when it was he, instead of Megatron, who was chosen to be the next Prime), that the Aligned lore was built upon (and which TF One is reusing) all seems to have been derived from a single throwaway line of dialogue spoken by Optimus in the 2007 movie, when he looks over the deceased body of Megatron: "You left me no choice, brother."

 

[Gizmoboy]

It's funny. The whole backstory of Optimus and Megatron having once been friends and allies who were as close as brothers, before later falling out over clashing ideologies (and Megatron thinking Optimus betrayed him when it was he, instead of Megatron, who was chosen to be the next Prime), that the Aligned lore was built upon (and which TF One is reusing) all seems to have been derived from a single throwaway line of dialogue spoken by Optimus in the 2007 movie, when he looks over the deceased body of Megatron: "You left me no choice, brother."

It really isn't a bad idea though. I think it adds to their struggles as characters. I think if it is done right (and from what I've seen, TFOne seems to do), it can really be compelling to the whole lore of Autobots and Decepticons.

 

[Sabrblade]

It really isn't a bad idea though. I think it adds to their struggles as characters. I think if it is done right (and from what I've seen, TFOne seems to do), it can really be compelling to the whole lore of Autobots and Decepticons.

I just find it funny that the whole thing was seemingly built out of something originally so insignificant and inconsequential. Just a measly throwaway line.

And that it's never explored again in any of the other live-action movies, despite the first film being where it came from in the first place. Not even a casual/mocking, "Hello, brother!" whenever the two meet again in either ROTF or DOTM.

It's almost as if somebody just snuck the line in there into the first movie without anyone else ever noticing.

 

[Exatron]

I just find it funny that the whole thing was seemingly built out of something originally so insignificant and inconsequential. Just a measly throwaway line.

And that it's never explored again in any of the other live-action movies, despite the first film being where it came from in the first place. Not even a casual/mocking, "Hello, brother!" whenever the two meet again in either ROTF or DOTM.

It's almost as if somebody just snuck the line in there into the first movie without anyone else ever noticing.

Also, stuff like this:

Optimus Prime Versus Megatron - Transformers Wiki

tfwiki.net

makes me think it's less that it was a throwaway line that snuck in, and more an idea that got cut down late in the process, ending up with just the one line left in the final movie. Kind of like how DotM was supposed to end with Megatron leading the Decepticons back to Cybertron under a truce, until Bay decided to have Optimus give him an axe to the head instead.

 

[Sabrblade]

In my defense, TLK is really not a movie that most would like to remember everything that happened in it.

(Also, it came out long after the Aligned lore had made the brothers backstory a standard for the brand.)

 

[Dake]

Did the idea of Prime and Megatron being old friends really not predate the live-action movies? I though it went further back than that. Wow.

 

[Exatron]

Did the idea of Prime and Megatron being old friends really not predate the live-action movies? I though it went further back than that. Wow.

It's not like every continuity was like Sunbow, with Megatron trying to kill Optimus at their first meeting. I believe Marvel UK had them knowing each other as rival gladiators. I remember G2 having Optimus muse about how he'd always hoped Megatron could be brought to work for the good of Cybertron, kinda hinting at some level of respect at least, if not friendship. But yeah, I don't recall any real substantial relationships between them prior to the 2007 movie.

It's easy to forget almost 20 years later, but there wasn't that much to the franchise at that point. We had Marvel and Sunbow flavors of G1, BW/BM that didn't really feature them, RiD, the Unicron Trilogy, and Dreamwave (which felt like a Superman Returns approach to Sunbow G1, kinda following the early parts of it in spirit while ignoring the later stuff).

As best I can recall, that bit in the 2007 movie and its media was the first time hinting at anything more than maybe respect and rivalry between them. And then IDW and Aligned really established the idea of them having been friends before the war.

 

[LordGigaIce]

It's almost as if somebody just snuck the line in there into the first movie without anyone else ever noticing.

Wait.
I could have sworn that Megs and Optimus being "as close as brothers" or even actually being brothers was part of the original story that became the first live action film, and even made it into some supplementary material before being reduced to just that one throwaway line in the final script.

Did the idea of Prime and Megatron being old friends really not predate the live-action movies? I though it went further back than that. Wow.

I think it only goes back to the first Bay movie. I remember reading about Megs and Optimus being "brothers" and thinking "oh that's a neat twist."

 

[Sabrblade]

Prior to the 2007 movie, there had been other faction leaders who had been childhood friends before becoming enemies (e g. -Star Saber and Deathsaurus in the Victory manga, Fire Convoy and Gigatron in the Car Robots toy catalog bios), and Armada Megatron got really sad and grumpy when Optimus died in the Armada cartoon (suggesting that they might have had a prewar history, but that was never elaborated on beyond Megatron being glum about Optimus's death).

 

[LordGigaIce]

Fire Convoy and Gigatron in the Car Robots toy catalog bios

Were they friends? I always understood it as "they always fought even when younger"

 

[Sabrblade]

Were they friends? I always understood it as "they always fought even when younger"

I could be misremembering. I'll have to take another look at the text.