Star Trek: The Original Series and The Next Generation

[Dekafox]

Why does Guinan think she is anything but defenseless against Q:

She is like a flea to Q. So is the Borg:

Considering the El Aurians had an entire Cold War with the Q Continuum, to they point they have a treaty where an El Autian can typically actually SUMMON a Q...

(Side note: it's implied the only reason it didn't work was because of "our" Q's particular circumstances at the time)

 

[ooo-baby]

Spock respected Kirk as his superior officer:

Picard respected Riker as his superior:

 

[The Predaking]

Guinan in theory could probably done something to Q, we never really see her use her abilities and Q certainly sees her as a threat.

 

[ooo-baby]

If this is Q:

How could Guinan do anything against a god who can create entire planets like Marvel’s The Beyonder. Q would turn her into a frog.

Guinan was scared of the Borg. Her people were conquered by the Borg.

The Borg are nothing to Q. He just needs to snap his fingers.

Therefore, Guinan is less than nothing to Q.

 

[Kalidor]

I think when it comes to whatever the hug that was with Non-Guinan and "Q" in Picard Season 2 I'll put that in my discarded pile of "ignore it"

 

[ooo-baby]

I stopped watching “Star Trek: The Next Generation” because life got busy for me at that time. I do remember the series finale was a big event where I was, with a viewing party, large screen TV, food, drink, etc., the works. I did not attend but people told me afterwards it was the best episode of Star Trek NG, with even greater special effects than it was known for (ie. $1 million per episode). And the ending which I’ve also never seen was perfect:

It sounds like Star Trek NG is the only Star Trek that fully ran its course, without being cut short, reaching its full potential.

I’m reluctant to watch “Star Trek: Picard” because it sounds like this is where the Next Generation should have ended, like it was the perfect place to end it. It wasn’t going to get any better than this.

 

[The Predaking]

If this is Q:

How could Guinan do anything against a god who can create entire planets like Marvel’s The Beyonder. Q would turn her into a frog.

Guinan was scared of the Borg. Her people were conquered by the Borg.

The Borg are nothing to Q. He just needs to snap his fingers.

Therefore, Guinan is less than nothing to Q.

Q claim to have more power than they do. Yes, Q can do some amazing things, but he obviously didn’t consider her nothing.

 

[Sabrblade]

It sounds like Star Trek NG is the only Star Trek that fully ran its course, withinout being cut short, reaching its full potential.

Lies.

Deep Space Nine and Voyager both ran for seven seasons, the same number of seasons as TNG. And all three had roughly the same number of hour-long episodes (splitting up all of the 2-hour-long episodes of each show in half):

• TNG: 178
• DS9: 176
• VOY: 172

Deep Space Nine had an amazingly impressive series finale that was the grand culmination of so much plot and character development that had been years in the making since the show's very beginning. And it spanned a whopping TEN episodes vs. TNG's mere two-episode finale.

Similarly, Voyager's two-part finale was also the long-awaited realization of that show's ultimate goal that it had set out to accomplish from the start. It's not perfect, and had room for improvement, but as the show's finale it was adequately serviceable (much like the rest of the show itself).

TNG's finale is great, too, but it's a mostly standalone adventure that didn't have nearly as much leading up to it narratively, when compared to finales of Deep Space Nine and Voyager that served as a far greater pay off for each to go out on.

 

[ooo-baby]

The Original Series crew got to have more fun on the Enterprise:

They seemed so free.

 

[Ryougabot]

 

[Kalidor]

Surely he means suffix

 

[ooo-baby]

 

[ooo-baby]

Yeoman Rand was a very likable character:

She had a lot of potential.

 

[The Predaking]

Yeah, she eventually made it up to LT Commander on the Excelsior.

Her name is Grace Lee Whitney. She was sexually assaulted by a Studio executive and then the studio fired her a few days later. Gene felt so bad for giving into the network that he brought her back for the movies.

 

[ooo-baby]

The reason why I prefer the Orignal Series over Next Gen is because they encountered more god-like beings and civilizations:

Also, Kirk and his crew went off the ship more often. I feel like the Next Generation episodes were almost always on the ship. They didn’t seem to venture off of it very often.

The Orignal Series actually beamed down to planets with beautiful, interesting and realistic set designs.

I think the Next Generation spent so much on special effects, one million dollars per episode reportedly, they did not have any money left over to build new and different sets.

I got tired of watching the Next Generation always on the ship.

Kirk and company really went off the ship where no man has gone before. You knew it was risky and dangerous because the red shirts always seemed to get it.

 

[Kalidor]

This goes along with what I was saying about the premise being about a fantastical space adventures where anything and everything could happen. A blank slate of wonder

 

[ooo-baby]

This scene would have killed Star Trek if it was aired today:

 

[ooo-baby]

I enjoyed the social and philosophical commentary on the Original Series:

They used their own judgment, regulations and the prime directive be damned. Sometimes they had to play god.

 

[G.B.Blackrock]

Without his supervision, TNG finally became the classic series everyone knows and love. His views on what Trek should be were really outdated by the end of the 80s.

Agreed 100%. Whatever one might say about the more recent efforts, Trek really got good after Roddenberry's involvement was dramatically lessened.

 

[ooo-baby]

Agreed 100%. Whatever one might say about the more recent efforts, Trek really got good after Roddenberry's involvement was dramatically lessened.

Perhap. Maybe.

I always err on the side of the creator. If Gene Roddenberry had not walked away from Star Trek the Original Series in the 60’s after Season 2, we would have gotten a much better Season 3. We probably would have gotten more seasons of the Orignal Series because Gene would have been there fighting for us with his clout as creator and producer of Star Trek. The studio angered Gene by breaking their promise to him to keep Star Trek in the prime time Thursday night slot and moved it to weekends on Sunday nights. That’s why he left at the beginning of Season 3, and why the episode quality went down. Imagine a Season 4, 5, 6,…..10 under his watch.

Be careful what you wish for because when Mark Taylor left Mattel and George Lucas sold Stars Wars to Disney, we just got crappy products ever since. I would not be surprised if Gene was still the admiral of the flleet behind the scenes of next gen; he was just no longer captaining the individual ships.