The 2024 Us Presidential Election Thread
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Oh, like what happened immediately after the Brexit referendum, then. Human history is merely a list of failing to learn from past mistakes.
Wait... What? Folks In Red States Google Searched 'How To Change My Vote' In Droves After Trump's Victory
Iowa had the highest number of people searching how to change their votes.www.theroot.com
Here's the thing: he's not wrong; the world and its systems are reacting to trumps picks. Panic is action whether you like it or not.
‘We all have our eyes wide open’: Trump critics brace for dark time of retribution
Public officials targeted by Trump say they’re preparing for extreme scenarios, including possibility of being arrested
www.theguardian.com
Hah, as if facts mean anything to him.
Indeed, he'll simply follow the 2016 and 2020 playbooks, pointing out that he HAD more than 50%, and then Democratic shenanigans (what sane people call "counting all the ballots") happened over a week after the election took place.
Most of Trump's Executive Orders Are Directly From Project 2025 Despite Previously Calling the Agenda 'Seriously Extreme'
Oh, if only e̶v̶e̶r̶y̶o̶n̶e̶ someone had constantly warned about this beforehand…
He sometimes said that. “Very, very conservative. Sort of the opposite of the radical left. You have the radical left and the radical right. They came up with this. I don’t know what it is. … Then you read some of these things and they are seriously extreme. But I don’t know anything about it. I don’t want to know anything about it.”
Other times he said “This was a group of people that got together, they came up with some ideas, I guess some good, some bad, but it makes no difference. I have nothing to do [with it].”
The Heritage Foundation is hard right and just like many times in the past they prepared a document by inviting prominent hard right policy people's contributions, many who had become prominent by their involvement in Trump's first administration. Those people are still involved with Trump and this week he has done some stuff that was covered in Project 2025, but they are also things that are consistent with things he's been saying for 9 years. He is taking a more aggressive stance right out of the gate, but it is stuff he promised to do before and didn't get done. It looks like he has been convinced that he can get more of it done now, but they aren't new positions. And there is already a stay on his EO on Amendment 14. It remains to be seen how much of this stuff is going to fly.
I realize we're only a few days in, but it isn't like he is signing EOs as fast as they can write them. These were all prepared during transition to be signed this week. His big opening salvo was what we have seen and the people who read Project 2025 didn't have any special warning about it. You only had to listen to his speeches and read his "Truths".
The surprises in it were not things in Project 2025 that he had distanced himself from. The surprises were which specific people he was getting revenge on and how he specifically went about it and even that was broadcast in general in his campaign. Project 2025 did not say to suspend and fire and remove clearances for the people involved with Hunter's laptop. That's a Trump deal. Project 2025 is more aggressive than Trump on abortion. Trump publicly considers the issue settled. Project 2025 says to abolish the Fed and go to gold standard. There's been no EO about that. Project 2025 says to ban porn. There's no EO about that. Project 2025 says abolish the Department of Education. Trump blah-blahed that in some campaign speeches, but he nominated a Secretary of Education again and floated out ideas on the campaign trail about what he wants the Department of Education to do. Project 2025 did NOT say he should put Elon Musk in charge of looking for people to fire like he did at Twitter. So is it true that if you want to know what Trump would do, you need to read this document? Still not so far. You're still a lot better off just listening to what he said at rallies on posted on Truth Social.
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The sheer amount of 'revenge' orders and implications is downright terrifying. Trump saying Biden "made a mistake" when he didn't pardon himself before leaving office is quite telling.
1: It means Trump is absolutely going to issue himself a pardon. I guarantee that's already signed and in his back pocket.
2: He is going to do everything he can to get someone from the Biden administration, preferably Biden himself, jailed for something. Anything.
We elected a goddamn felon and he's come into office with every bit of grievance and desire to lash out as I've seen in all my years working with criminals.
1: It means Trump is absolutely going to issue himself a pardon. I guarantee that's already signed and in his back pocket.
2: He is going to do everything he can to get someone from the Biden administration, preferably Biden himself, jailed for something. Anything.
We elected a goddamn felon and he's come into office with every bit of grievance and desire to lash out as I've seen in all my years working with criminals.
I imagine that the pardon Trump would give to himself will only be pulled out if one of the federal charges becomes active again. 1) He can't do anything about his current felony conviction with a pardon, since it's not a federal charge. 2) He doesn't want to pre-emptively issue a pardon only to have it struck down by a definitive SCOTUS ruling that presidents can't pardon themselves (not a given, but a real enough possibility that he's unlikely to risk it if he's not going to suffer from a federal conviction, anyway).
Assuming he lives to the end of his term, he might issue the self-pardon before he leaves, since at that point, it will at least delay things for any new federal charges, and that's VERY MUCH in keeping with his usual tactics... but that's a few years away at this point.
I don't know much about these preemptive pardons that Biden issued. Can you just sort of make an amnesty pardon or do you have to pardon an individual offense?
If it is the latter, I would love from Trump to self-pardon himself just so there'd be this 80 page document listing all the crimes he has done with his signature at the end.
If it is the latter, I would love from Trump to self-pardon himself just so there'd be this 80 page document listing all the crimes he has done with his signature at the end.
Definitely the former. The most famous example was Ford’s pardon of Nixon back in 1974. It covered pretty much anything that could have been thrown at Nixon at the time (no legal charges ever had the chance to be brought). It wouldn’t have covered any theoretical crimes Nixon committed AFTER the pardon was issued, but that didn’t ever become an issue.
What Biden did was similar, if with more people. Indeed, for many of them, he made it clear that there really WEREN’T any crimes committed, but that the pardons were a pre-emptive measure knowing that MAGA would look for any excuse they could.
Speaking over here where I am totally safe from this angle of Trump, it will be interesting to see what he does. My gut has been wrong about him before, but I generally think on this he is satisfied with accusations and innuendo. In the eyes of his favorite supporters, Biden is already known to be heading an ultra-corrupt crime family. I think Trump knows that he couldn't get Biden convicted of anything and doesn't want the embarrassment of failing. He has already won in the arena that he most cares about. And he has shown a lot of people a few steps down from Biden that he can hurt them by firing them and taking away security clearances and secret service protection. He might be done.
I don't know what happens if he pursues prosecution of, say, Fauci. I mean, I know at the end of it he gets one embarrassment or another. But does he get the embarrassment that there is nothing prosecutable about the guy and a judge has to tell him publicly that he is just weaponizing the court system? Or does he get the embarrassment of his Attorney General telling him he needs to go back and read what a pardon is?
I don't know what happens if he pursues prosecution of, say, Fauci. I mean, I know at the end of it he gets one embarrassment or another. But does he get the embarrassment that there is nothing prosecutable about the guy and a judge has to tell him publicly that he is just weaponizing the court system? Or does he get the embarrassment of his Attorney General telling him he needs to go back and read what a pardon is?
My guess is he'll let it go. He got reelected. It's a hell of a thing.