The 2024 Us Presidential Election Thread

The Mighty Mollusk

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Here's a last shred of hopium that we could all use. Some states will take days to finish actually counting votes. Don't give up just yet.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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At this point it's likely over. Here's hoping the second Trump administration is as incompetent as the first so that the worst parts of project 2025 don't get properly implemented. Given that he's already tapped RFK Jr and Musk to be part of it, maybe it will be. I hate how close we are to a full on fascist oligarchy, through.
 

Kalidor

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It's done
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Ironbite4

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Is Madam President really that ******* scary to the United States? Is it?

Ironbite-god damn it.
 

Axaday

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Is there any possibility that delayed counting of mail-in ballots could reverse this?
No

When I left home this morning it looked like last night and I was poised to sit down at my desk at work and start building spreadsheets to see what percentages of uncounted votes Kamala was needing in MI, PA, and WI. But when I got to my desk those states were reporting pretty much all counted and the election had been called.

America has committed a major unforced error. There may be no comeuppance. He's not going to suspend democracy and become a dictator. The economy isn't going to fall all to pieces. There isn't going to be a nuclear war. Happily (but annoyingly??) it will not be so bad that his supporters will have to admit they really screwed up. We will be governed poorly. Our allies will suffer. Our economy will suffer, but his supporters will say it isn't or that it is because of Biden. Our culture will be eroded. Trump will get away with his past crimes. A few irritating people will say, "Man, I regret voting for Trump, but there was no way to know this would happen."

He's going to wind up with 312 Electoral Votes. Better than his 2016 victory. Better than Biden's 2020 victory. He actually won the popular vote, though with less votes than he or Biden had in 2020. It's a big vindication for Trump and his supporters. And I am sure he will say and they will believe that he actually got the most votes ever in history, so many that the crooked Democrats didn't realize how many they needed to erase.
 

Deathy G1

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He's not going to suspend democracy and become a dictator. The economy isn't going to fall all to pieces. There isn't going to be a nuclear war.
Thank you for saying this part. I don’t agree with all your statement, but I appreciate your outlook here. I would’ve felt the same way had Harris won.

Harris ran an amazing campaign with the cards that she was dealt. Ultimately, I think turnout was against her this time, possibly due the way she was nominated. I’m not sure the logistics required to do anything else, but I’d imagine the DNC unilaterally choosing her as their nominee after President Biden dropped out alienated some of her potential base.
 
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KidTDragon

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He's not going to suspend democracy and become a dictator. The economy isn't going to fall all to pieces. There isn't going to be a nuclear war. Happily (but annoyingly??) it will not be so bad that his supporters will have to admit they really screwed up.
What are you basing that on?
 

Ungnome

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While I don't think he will be able to suspend democracy, the economy will suffer and I fear for Ukraine and the Palestinians.
 

Ironbite4

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18 million people suddenly vanished in between elections. Nobody will talk about that part though.

Ironbite-makes me wonder where they all went.
 

Dekafox

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There's two bulwarks against him sticking around longer than 4 years also (three if you count his health):

1) They don't have the senate votes to push through a Constitutional amendment, so that's going to be locked in, even if the House goes red.
2) The military swears their oath to the Constitution, not the President, so if he tries to ignore or override it through force, there's a not insignificant chunk of the military that will be there to walk him out of the White House.

That bit is unambiguous enough that I can't see a way for even a full Trump Supreme Court to be able to override it, without bringing us into number 2 territory.

2 is the bulwark that's more risky as I don't know how many Trumpers there are hiding int he military ranks vs honorable military folk who take their oath seriously, but that's what we got.
 

Axaday

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What are you basing that on?
I've written at length on the subject on this forum.

Trump was the dad-gum President of the United States for 4 years and he barely used his power because he doesn't care about power. He only cares about status. He stirred out of bed at 9 or 10, got on his big boy pants and went to the Oval Office. He had the right to the most complete and secure briefing on the events of the world and he asked them to make it shorter and then stopped bothering with it many days. What he did the next few hours is anyone's guess. Then he spent the afternoon and evening on Twitter and yelling at his TV.

He signed the tax cut that the mainline GOP wanted. He didn't sign any legislation that was his idea. He had promised to end all the wars, but the best he did was get a schedule for Afghanistan to end soon after he left office. He had promised a big infrastructure bill, but never even announced the bill itself. He had promised to replace Obamacare with something much better, but 8 year later he still has only a concept of a plan. He went to play golf almost every weekend. He is SO lazy.

Trump ran for President to promote his brand. He didn't think he would win the first time. He spent 4 years puttering around to the events he was told to go to and saying dumb stuff that the other people in the meeting tried to ignore or redirect. He didn't accomplish any Presidential things at all. Then he ran for reelection, because that's what President's do and he LOST. He is a narcissist and cannot stand humiliation. He has spent 4 years demanding vindication for it and now he's got that. He'll go back for 4 more years and then he'll retire.

I know he doesn't want to be President for life because he didn't bother being President when he WAS President. I am not AT ALL saying he is harmless. He did harm and he will do harm again. But he won't seize dictatorial power, not just because of the checks and balances, but because he doesn't want all that hassle. He won't utterly destroy the economy because his influence is limited. He will continue to erode public trust in institutions. He will continue to embolden racists and misogynists and trans-phobes and whatever brand of haters. He will continue to race bait and racial scapegoat. He will probably all but abandon Ukraine. He will not even tap Israel's brakes. He will tell 40 lies every day, some big, some small. He will probably add tariffs and will drag down our economy some. He will deregulate business, which will be good for the stock market, and bad for workers and the environment and really bad for a few companies who use the whole rope he gives them and accidentally hang themselves. He will pave the way for JD Vance to continue behind him. He will show my daughters that the leader of the country can be uselessly mean. It's bad stuff and it didn't need to happen, but it will be recoverable.

But in 4 years, he won't want to stay.
 
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Anonymous X

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The polls massively over-predicted the Democratic share of the vote, didn’t they? Back in the summer over here, there were numerous polls suggesting that the Tories would collapse to 2-dozen or fewer seats. They got 120 seats. Same problem. But many more magnitudes out.

(That’s not to condemn all opinion polling, FWIW – in some countries eg France poling is usually very accurate to the eventual vote results.)
 

Deathy G1

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18 million people suddenly vanished in between elections. Nobody will talk about that part though.

Ironbite-makes me wonder where they all went.
This is why I said that the way she got the nomination likely played a factor in voter turnout.
 

Dekafox

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I'd say Musk, but like Schwarzenegger, he doesn't meet the requirements, so riding on the coattails of others is the most he can do there.
 

Pale Rider

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Let's not forget: Trump has immunity now. And he'll be surrounded by unscrupulous people who can advise him on how to use it.
 


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