The Twit destroying Twitter is a Twaitor

Rhinox

too old for this
Citizen
Quite the dumpster fire. Without the benefit of providing warmth for people out in the cold.
Even if he steps down, he'll still be owner, he'll still do whatever he wants. The only thing that would change is a name.

I don't think golden boy here is used to this level of scrutiny nor this much negativity aimed directly at him that he cannot ignore.
It's amazing just how quickly he's revealed how thin his skin really is.

But, the time is well ripe for a twitter alternative. The second a clone shows up that looks viable, I believe Twitter will be fully done.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
Citizen
I'd suggest Mastodon is coming into its own in that regard, but the signup process is admittedly somewhat confusing to people who have only known monolithic website services like Reddit or Twitter, and didn't live through the age of forums. TikTok is definitely popular enough it could be a contender, but between being video primarily and the current US government attempts to clobber it, I don't know if it would be able to fully replace it either. Everything else is dead, or sufficiently different to feel more like its own thing. (e.g. my experience with cohost felt like a tumblr/Twitter hybrid and Tumblr has always had it's own style of things).

Honestly, there may BE no direct replacement that everyone goes to, and that's probably a good thing in the end.
 

abates

unfortunate shark issues
Citizen
At this point the only ones who are going to be able to replace it are companies that are already into large scale web services. Google could probably do something given time, having been trying to get into the social media biz for a while. The problem I would have with them is they have a habit of just unceremoniously shutting down services that aren't profitable, and Twitter was reputedly not profitable.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
The problems with Twitter go way deeper than anything Musk could have caused or fixed. I'm starting to fully believe that "mankind wasn't ready" (and may never be) for such a low-friction way to say anything you want to anyone in the world as soon as it pops into your head, including and especially people who should be too busy and important to put up with your nonsense. Combine that with the character limit actively punishing anyone whose thoughts are more complex than you could fit on a bumper sticker and you've basically got an asylum designed from the ground up to be run by the inmates.

Anyone who's looking for a drop-in replacement for all that, instead of a way to never have to deal with it again, is part of the problem.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
Citizen
I still maintain that using an algorithm that shows you what you talk about with no distinction on whether you talk about it because you hate it or love it was part of the problem, as it means you can easily see only more and more of what you hate. That encourages communities hostile to each other to essentially go to war, and that righteous feeling when you do something you feel is morally right(whether it is or not) just turned a whole bunch of people into unintentional rage addicts. Especially with the tools to easily dunk on other people via quote retweets amplifying the bad takes along with your own response, causing other people to jump on said bad take and spreading it to people who would otherwise have never seen it. Plus full text searches being used to monitor for any mention of specific terms to immediately jump on them or unleash bots to respond to them.

Compare that to pre-algo Twitter or Masto, where while it is harder to find things, you only see what you choose to see(without having to jump through hoops). Mastodon improved on the findability at least with the local and federated feeds, and if the local feed is horrible it's fairly frictionless to hop instances.

On the other hand, TikTok focused on improving the idea of the algorithm instead of ditching it and from what I hear managed to make progress on differentiating like vs hate so it actually does tend to give you positive things instead of negative. They also don't have the same character limit issues as they use video so they can actually include nuance. The downside though is that it's easy for the algorithm to be tweaked to hide things that China's government doesn't want discussed.

On the gripping hand, people have always formed into communities of like-minded folk and trying to cram vehemently opposed communities into a single space and force them to interact was never going to go well. Even with a no-algo setup allowing them to exist side by side without even realizing the other is there, the moment one side goes intentionally seeking trouble(and someone WILL) it'll all go into the crapper. Especially as long as people don't have a reason to not show their whole arse to the world on a whim.

Hence why I agree maybe it is a good thing for people to disaspora among the various services... a return to the old ways of the Internet instead of "The internet is 5 websites" and everyone all tries to cram into them like a clown car.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
While the algorithm definitely made things worse, I think the devolution into a rage breeder reactor was inevitable. If I understand correctly, Tumblr never had such an algorithm, always operated like the Latest Tweets tab where you only saw content from people you were following, but still managed to regularly bring out the worst in the best-intentioned people. To the point where it became infamous for it even among people on other sites like Twitter... right up until Tumblr imploded and everyone on it brought their bullshit to Twitter.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Anonymity and lack of consequence will turn the majority into completely insufferable human garbage.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
It's possible the entire internet was a mistake, and that anyone who says otherwise is just speaking from a position of privilege and survivor bias.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
The core aspect of the internet: wireless, instant communication, is not and never was a mistake. It literally cannot be a mistake. Facilitating communication and community is never a mistake.

How we use and implemented it? Oh, ABSOLUTELY a ******* mistake.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
The core aspect of the internet: wireless, instant communication, is not and never was a mistake. It literally cannot be a mistake. Facilitating communication and community is never a mistake.
Counterpoint: The world would be a much better place if the bad people had never been afforded the means to find one another and coordinate their activities.

We can't blame the specifics of how any one particular site works for the fact that they did.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
While I agree with you in principle: being a progressive means we have to bring EVERYONE with us, otherwise it's just another tyranny. We could lament the fact that the bad people are also able to enjoy a global, real time communication network; or we could improve our social systems and education systems so that people are inherently smart enough to not fall for the divisive, extremist bullshit.

Will it eliminate the assholes? Not entirely, there's currently no way to treat or educate sociopaths and psychopaths, but it will restrict the number of normal people who follow their bullshit.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
Citizen
While I agree with you in principle: being a progressive means we have to bring EVERYONE with us, otherwise it's just another tyranny. We could lament the fact that the bad people are also able to enjoy a global, real time communication network; or we could improve our social systems and education systems so that people are inherently smart enough to not fall for the divisive, extremist bullshit.
OK, then the problem is that we did those two things in the wrong order. When I say "mankind was not ready", that's exactly what I mean. If there is a way to stop people from being bastards, then we should be putting all our resources into doing that before we make any more tools they can use to be more bastardy.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
OK, then the problem is that we did those two things in the wrong order. When I say "mankind was not ready", that's exactly what I mean. If there is a way to stop people from being bastards, then we should be putting all our resources into doing that before we make any more tools they can use to be more bastardy.
There's like 8 billion of us: even as a statistical anomaly, there will always be bastards. If we wait to do research and development for people to stop being bastards, we'd still be hunter/gatherers.

So the best we can do is educate, build social programs, and create communities where we support each other rather than compete for perceived "scarce resources". You ever have one of those moments where you said something stupid and instead of ridicule or sarcasm you got one person who went "Oh, honey, no" and then without malice, or rudeness or anything condescending: they set you right? THAT needs to be the standard instead of the exception.

Access to education, without cost or at minimal cost, throughout the entire life time. Education that has a foundation of critical thinking, and how to do basic knowledge researching. This won't end the bastards: but it'll bastard proof the population. That way we can continue to use the tools we develop and probably use them in a far better way than we currently do. I dunno about you: but thinking about how my niece and nephews are already having outright pavlovian reactions to their screens is disturbing and depressing.
 

NovaSaber

Well-known member
Citizen
Anonymity and lack of consequence will turn the majority into completely insufferable human garbage.
Anonymity is responsible for most of the good that the internet has done; letting marginalized groups get organized, for example.

Around half of the toxic people on Twitter (and the majority of the actually-most-harmful ones) are using their real names anyway.
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
Citizen
FB friend:
Do you remember when Putin stepped down as Russian president in 2008 and appointed Dmitry Medvedev as his successor, except that pretty much everyone on Earth knew that Putin was still calling the shots?

If Elon Musk actually carries through with his promise and steps down as CEO, he will just appoint a new puppet CEO, while he continues to call the shots. This unfortunate new CEO will be under enormous pressure to repair all the damage Musk did and undo his jive-for-brained policies, all while Musk is breathing down his neck behind the scenes and and telling him what he can and can't do.

Whoever accepts the job will probably demand an extraordinary golden-parachute compensation package, because that job is going to have a short half-life.
 

Ironbite4

Well-known member
Citizen
That's assuming the Saudis don't dismember Musk for losing them billions that they can't recoup at the gas pump.

Ironbite-it's fun!
 

NovaSaber

Well-known member
Citizen
Admittedly I've never tried to archive anything from Twitter before, but this isn't normal, is it?
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abates

unfortunate shark issues
Citizen
I've noticed the past few days, I can't scroll back more than 6 hours on my main twitter feed. Have they done something to restrict how far you can scroll back?
 


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