Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[Pale Rider]

It would be a shock if Iowa is moving that much and only one pollster noticed, and neither campaign apparently noticed either.

It's noteworthy because that particular pollster, Ann Selzer, is widely regarded as the best there is.

Ann Selzer Is The Best Pollster In Politics

An old “PBS NewsHour” clip, in all its dull, steady glory, pretty much pinpoints the moment that famed Iowa pollster Ann Selzer got hot. Shot on New Year’s Day …

fivethirtyeight.com

 

[CoffeeHorse]

Published Jan. 27, 2016

That's... not inspiring.

 

[Pale Rider]

She has a solid track record since then too.

How do past Iowa Poll results compare with presidential election results in Iowa?

When an Iowa Poll is released, readers often wonder how close polls track to election results. Compare the past 20 years of presidential results.

www.desmoinesregister.com

 

[Paladin]

Listen To The Jeffrey Epstein Tapes: ‘I Was Donald Trump’s Closest Friend’

Explosive tapes recorded by author Michael Wolff show Epstein claiming Trump liked to “f---” his friends’ wives and first slept with Melania on the “Lolita Express.”

www.thedailybeast.com

Would it have made a difference if this material had surfaced at some earlier point over the last eight years?!?!













... no. probably not...

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

His cultists have proven that they won't turn on him for anything short of direct inconvenience to themselves, the rich patrons who prop him up don't care as long as he's still useful to them, and everyone else was already against him to begin with. Frankly, until the GOP gives up on him and lets him fall so they can move on to the next puppet, he's not going anywhere. Unless the Reaper decides to do his damn job already, anyway.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Trump is the GOP. Even when he's dead/imprisoned/hanging out in the inescapable dementia ward (not the same as imprisoned.) they won't let him go. They literally can't short of making a brand new GOP.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Well, they're all so diligent and hard-working, surely they can pick themselves up by the bootstraps and start over, right?

Or fall apart and start ripping into each other trying to claim the biggest piece of the pie, fading into political irrelevance as they're too busy sabotaging each other to continue sabotaging everything else. One or the other.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Well, they're all so diligent and hard-working, surely they can pick themselves up by the bootstraps and start over, right?

Or fall apart and start ripping into each other trying to claim the biggest piece of the pie, fading into political irrelevance as they're too busy sabotaging each other to continue sabotaging everything else. One or the other.

LITERALLY what I said is going to happen in my other post. The GOP is going to get sundered after this election, and become unelectable because the cult and the rest will be fighting over the name.

 

[Dekafox]

People said the same thing about the Tea Party movement years ago. Brand loyalty is trained into Americans from a young age, and First Past The Post is an extremely strong effect on top of that - the Dems should realisticly be 2-3 different parties, but only hang together because of FPTP making it the only way to get things done. The Republican party may just end up in a similar situation with Trumpists and traditional Conservatives only tolerating each other long enough for elections and specific things they can agree on.

 

[KidTDragon]

The Dems haven't turned themselves into a literal cult worshipping at the feet of one person, though.

 

[wonko the sane?]

If the actual conservatives have walked away because of trump, why would they walk back and tolerate trump, or his family, next time around? Once they realize they aren't getting their political party back; they'll pull a bender.

 

[KidTDragon]

I'd consider voting for the Blackjack and Hookers Party.

 

[Shadhausen]

I'd consider voting for the Blackjack and Hookers Party.

Throw in some Lesbian Ninjas and I'd be a life-long member.

 

[Dekafox]

If the actual conservatives have walked away because of trump, why would they walk back and tolerate trump, or his family, next time around? Once they realize they aren't getting their political party back; they'll pull a bender.

First Past The Post is a lot stronger effect than you seem to think. Now if we can get Ranked Choice in a lot more states....

 

[wonko the sane?]

Okay; start drafting a letter for your senator, congressman, the VEEP and harris and start spamming it on wednesday, demanding voter reform.

 

[Paladin]

so this is his closing message, huh....

Donald Trump talks about reporters being shot and says he shouldn’t have left White House in 2020

Donald Trump gave a profane and conspiracy-laden speech two days before the presidential election, talking about reporters being shot and suggesting he “shouldn’t have left” the White House after h…

www.chicagotribune.com

 

[KidTDragon]

His cultists are gonna eat it up. Everyone else who was planning to vote for him... probably still will. Because they don't know enough about Kamala or she laughs too much or some other bullshit reason.

 

[wonko the sane?]

If you're paying attention: trumps closing message is actually the lawsuits he's already filed claiming massive fraud in the election.

 

[Pale Rider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853214980213993920

 

[Pale Rider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1853614670764015762