Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Pale Rider

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
Citizen
CoffeeHorse said:
It would be a shock if Iowa is moving that much and only one pollster noticed, and neither campaign apparently noticed either.
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It's noteworthy because that particular pollster, Ann Selzer, is widely regarded as the best there is.

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Ann Selzer Is The Best Pollster In Politics

An old “PBS NewsHour” clip, in all its dull, steady glory, pretty much pinpoints the moment that famed Iowa pollster Ann Selzer got hot. Shot on New Year’s Day …
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The Mighty Mollusk

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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His cultists have proven that they won't turn on him for anything short of direct inconvenience to themselves, the rich patrons who prop him up don't care as long as he's still useful to them, and everyone else was already against him to begin with. Frankly, until the GOP gives up on him and lets him fall so they can move on to the next puppet, he's not going anywhere. Unless the Reaper decides to do his damn job already, anyway.
 
wonko the sane?

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Trump is the GOP. Even when he's dead/imprisoned/hanging out in the inescapable dementia ward (not the same as imprisoned.) they won't let him go. They literally can't short of making a brand new GOP.
 
The Mighty Mollusk

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
Citizen
Well, they're all so diligent and hard-working, surely they can pick themselves up by the bootstraps and start over, right?

Or fall apart and start ripping into each other trying to claim the biggest piece of the pie, fading into political irrelevance as they're too busy sabotaging each other to continue sabotaging everything else. One or the other.
 
wonko the sane?

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
The Mighty Mollusk said:
Well, they're all so diligent and hard-working, surely they can pick themselves up by the bootstraps and start over, right?

Or fall apart and start ripping into each other trying to claim the biggest piece of the pie, fading into political irrelevance as they're too busy sabotaging each other to continue sabotaging everything else. One or the other.
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LITERALLY what I said is going to happen in my other post. The GOP is going to get sundered after this election, and become unelectable because the cult and the rest will be fighting over the name.
 
Dekafox

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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People said the same thing about the Tea Party movement years ago. Brand loyalty is trained into Americans from a young age, and First Past The Post is an extremely strong effect on top of that - the Dems should realisticly be 2-3 different parties, but only hang together because of FPTP making it the only way to get things done. The Republican party may just end up in a similar situation with Trumpists and traditional Conservatives only tolerating each other long enough for elections and specific things they can agree on.
 
wonko the sane?

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
If the actual conservatives have walked away because of trump, why would they walk back and tolerate trump, or his family, next time around? Once they realize they aren't getting their political party back; they'll pull a bender.
 
Dekafox

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
Citizen
wonko the sane? said:
If the actual conservatives have walked away because of trump, why would they walk back and tolerate trump, or his family, next time around? Once they realize they aren't getting their political party back; they'll pull a bender.
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First Past The Post is a lot stronger effect than you seem to think. Now if we can get Ranked Choice in a lot more states....
 
wonko the sane?

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Okay; start drafting a letter for your senator, congressman, the VEEP and harris and start spamming it on wednesday, demanding voter reform.
 
KidTDragon

KidTDragon

Now with hi-res avatar!
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His cultists are gonna eat it up. Everyone else who was planning to vote for him... probably still will. Because they don't know enough about Kamala or she laughs too much or some other bullshit reason.
 
wonko the sane?

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
If you're paying attention: trumps closing message is actually the lawsuits he's already filed claiming massive fraud in the election.
 
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