Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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Trump survived two impeachments and 34 felony convictions, but he just came back for more. Why should he worry about the law at this point?
 

The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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There really is a tweet for everything...
 

Thylacine 2000

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What a can of worms.

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The above, published on the 1-year anniversary of the Oct. 7th massacre, is just one of the ways that CUAD - the student group for which Mahmoud Khalil is a leader and negotiator - has undeniably endorsed terrorism. Another CUAD leader, Khymani James, said Zionists (=most of the world's Jews) should be killed.

As a green card holder, immigration law says Khalil can be deported for multiple reasons, including "being a representative of a political, social, or other group that endorses or espouses terrorist activity."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

Will Creeley, FIRE’s legal director, said that if there are allegations about material support for terrorism, “you really need to see those... Simple, independent advocacy on behalf of a terrorist organization, however reprehensible some, many, or even all Americans might find it, is still protected by the First Amendment.”
Support for Hamas would become illegal if it was coordinated with the terrorist group, Creeley said. Free speech also does not cover targeted threats, discriminatory harassment, and incitement to imminent violence. “It’s very much a stretch to think that activities ‘aligned’ with Hamas are enough to justify this kind of action,” Creeley stated. “Folks who would find pro-Hamas advocacy abhorrent should understand that the First Amendment protects your rights just as well, and to defend the rights of those who disagree with you is the best guarantor of your own rights.”

Two legal experts said authorities have grounds for deporting Khalil.

Federal laws say aliens are inadmissible to the US, or “deportable,” if they engage in terrorist activities, including anyone who “endorses or espouses terrorist activity or persuades others to endorse or espouse terrorist activity or support a terrorist organization.” Green card holders are considered aliens.

Last week, at a protest Khalil attended at Columbia affiliate Barnard College, demonstrators passed out pamphlets from the “Hamas media office,” and photos of the late Hezbollah terror chief Hassan Nasrallah, according to students at the scene. Hamas and Hezbollah are US-designated terrorist groups.

Distributing Hamas pamphlets could be grounds for deportation, said Ted Frank, senior attorney at the Hamilton Lincoln Law Institute, which has filed litigation against anti-Israel groups that have blocked traffic at US protests.

“The pamphleting, at least under congressional law, says, ‘Yeah, deport for that,’ and the Biden administration could have done that, but they weren’t enforcing that law, so the Trump administration is enforcing that law,” Frank said. “Under the law, even just espousing support for Hamas is enough for deportation.”

Frank added that voicing support for terrorist activities, and not a specific terror group, is grounds for deportation, according to the law’s wording, and there is also no difference under the law between having a green card or a student visa.

Americans’ speech in support of Hamas is protected by the First Amendment, but different rules apply for immigration and deportation, Frank said.

Michael Wildes, an immigration attorney and professor at New York’s Cardozo School of Law, said that if the government launched an investigation and found evidence that Khalil supported Hamas before he received a green card, they could revoke his status.

“Immigration laws are clear — that if he lied on his green card application about his support of Hamas, they could rescind his green card,” Wildes said.

If the government found evidence Khalil supported Hamas after receiving a green card, prosecutors could make a case for his deportation in criminal or immigration court, Wildes said. Wildes is a Jewish Democrat, the mayor of Englewood, New Jersey, and Melania Trump’s immigration lawyer.

“Until you’re an American citizen, you can be deported from the United States,” he said.

Creeley disagreed that Khalil could be deported, saying, “That read of the law is overly expansive and gives the government power it does not have.”


Here's a legal analysis published by Biden officials in 2023, right when Trump first started saying terrorist supporters should be deported:
ICE’s memo, titled Inadmissibility Based on Endorsing or Espousing Terrorist Activity: First Amendment Concerns and revised by the White House Office of Legal Counsel (OLC), discusses constitutional limits on the enforcement of an INA provision for the exclusion or expulsion of non-U.S. persons who “endorse or espouse” terrorist activity. The memo concludes that, in cases involving lawful permanent residents, non-U.S. persons within the United States, or non-U.S. persons outside the United States who have significant U.S. contacts, “applications of the INA’s content-based restriction on speech will likely be subject to a heightened standard of review,” and that “it is rare for a statute to survive strict scrutiny.” Accordingly—in text apparently inserted by the OLC—the memo casts doubt on the constitutionality of the provision as applied to such persons “who have expressed support for terrorism at a more abstract level or in contexts that would not implicate the security of the United States or its nationals.”

We don’t know whether these memos were widely circulated among agencies or whether they’re still operative. Nevertheless, the memos reflect the government’s awareness of the rights of individuals targeted by extreme vetting policies and a recognition of the serious—and likely unconstitutional—burdens such policies impose on individuals’ expressive rights.

Together, the two memos confirm that proposals to revoke the visas of student demonstrators who express controversial or even offensive views about Israel or Hamas would likely be held unconstitutional. So too would proposals to use the INA’s terrorism-related ground of inadmissibility to remove individuals who merely express support for Hamas at an “abstract level.”

The First Amendment gives very broad protection to political speech, including to speech that is contentious or unpopular. Accordingly, regulations that target political speech on the basis of viewpoint almost never survive judicial review.


I am not a lawyer, I have no clue whether the First Amendment protections I enjoy every day apply with equal strength to green card holders when there are black-ink lists of activities that can get them deported. I don't know if there's precedent either way, and knowing Trump's SCOTUS it probably wouldn't matter.

Am I allowed to find both the guy and this entire process disgusting?
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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Related, regarding the "Continuing Resolution" they're trying to push through to keep from government shut down due to hitting the debt ceiling:
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The Mighty Mollusk

Scream all you like, 'cause we're all mad here
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I work in a metal shop. A lot of the material we use comes from Canada (well, our suppliers get it from Canadian sources, but same difference). The company's been struggling for a bit already. I should probably get my resume in order.
 


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