Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

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I wonder how China feels about Taiwan being listed as a separate country.
Do we... not have any official policies that treat them as such? Have we been spending the past 50 years pretending they're the same country and that literally every instance of "China" in any laws and treaties applies to both together?
 

Axaday

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Again, sorry. Typo.

it is, in fact illegal by any standard of care when it comes to inmates. But this administration actively does not care about the law. They deliberately flaunt it because Trump has "immunity". Until every asshat under him realizes they don't after spending time before a judge and, hopefully, behind bars, they will not change.
It is weird, though. Water is available and cheap. It is just being uselessly mean. And people will die and that surely won't look good on anyone.
 

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Corvus

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It is weird, though. Water is available and cheap. It is just being uselessly mean. And people will die and that surely won't look good on anyone.

These are uselessly mean people. As KTDragon just said, the cruelty is the point. And there's no bottom to their cruelty, or their malice.
 

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Yeah that's major. I was rolling my eyes at "oh no one cup of water an hour", but one per day sounds illegally bad.

When I spent a day in jail a couple years ago (I'm fine), they didn't limit our access to water at all. They had a water cooler in the hallway, and we could get some any time we needed it. The cell door wasn't locked.

I don't know what's normal but that's what I experienced. Place was way overcrowded and understaffed but I thought they did an okay job. What's happening at Krome sounds like deliberate cruelty.
 

Rhinox

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It's deliberate cruelty combined with a facility that has too many people incarcerated and not enough people working it.
Every prison/jail I've ever worked or or been in has sinks in every cell along with the toilet and they had cups. Limiting access to water for any reason is cruel and unusual. By definition.
 

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Deathy G1

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My voting mistake keeps on curb-stomping me as I try to atone for my sins. My wife and I both woke up out of our MAGA brainwashing, though our son and much of her family are still firmly indoctrinated. I've written email and left voicemail for our Senators, Angus King and Susan "Concerned" Collins. I've even been to a couple of protests in Augusta.

Now that "Libration Day" has hit, and the stock market is crashing, we may be losing a good chunk of our retirement thanks to our poor decisions. I was already planning to seek additional employment as my wife's cerebral palsy worsens, but now I think that need is imminent as prices for necessities skyrocket.
 

Rhinox

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Let the market crash. Let the oligarchs feel the pain that they helped create. I hope every goddamn one of them loses billions because those of us down here are going to lose everything. hug them all.
 

Anonymous X

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hug me, those tariffs. Good thing I brought forward purchasing a new computer to last week. :/

I think the republic is dead if there isn’t actual full major backlash to this. This isn’t normal. This is economic mismanagement by a lunatic with geriatric dementia. What Liz Truss did to the British economy is nothing compared to what Trump’s just done to the American and by extension world economy.
 

Rhinox

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Yeah, I'm glad I got my computer in January in anticipation.

Look, things are going to get a lot worse really quick. Trump is going to use this to break the will of corporate America. he'll promise to remove the tariffs on each, so long as the CEO and people promise to support his causes, don't speak out against him, the usual mob boss bullshit that Trump loves.
We are deep into the establishment of Trump's dictatorship. I genuinely do not know what will snap us out of this, save perhaps a convenient infarction.

it's a hell of an age where you're hoping big macs save the country.
 

Dekafox

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I got my replacement tablet right after the election in anticipation of something like this, but definitely wasn't expecting the severity of it.
 

CoffeeHorse

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That's the game. They want to speedrun retaking the culture by driving CEOs to the White House to personally pledge loyalty in exchange for relief.
 

Corvus

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That's the game. They want to speedrun retaking the culture by driving CEOs to the White House to personally pledge loyalty in exchange for relief.

Bingo.

Senator Chris Murphy outlined this on Bluesky:

Chris Murphy‬ ‪@chrismurphyct.bsky.social
Those trying to understand the tariffs as economic policy are dangerously naive.
No, the tariffs are a tool to collapse our democracy. A means to compel loyalty from every business that will need to petition Trump for relief.
1/ A thread to explain his plan and how we fight back.
2/ This week you will read many confused economists and political pundits who won’t understand how the tariffs make economic sense.
That’s because they don’t. They aren’t designed as economic policy. The tariffs are simply a new, super dangerous political tool.
3/ You see, our founders created a President with limited and checked powers. They specifically put the power of spending and taxation in the hands of the legislature.
Why? Because they watched how kings and despots used spending and taxes to control their subjects.
4/ British kings used taxation to reward loyalty and punish dissent.
Our own revolution was spurred by the King’s use of heavy taxation of the colonies to punish our push for self governance.
5/ Trump knows that he can weaken (and maybe destroy) democracy by using spending and taxation in the same way.
He is using access to government funds to bully universities, law firms and state and local governments into loyalty pledges.
6/ Healthy democracies rely on an independent legal profession to maintain the rule of law, independent universities to guard objective truth and provide forums for dissent to authority, and independent state/local government to counterbalance a powerful federal government.
7/ But the private sector also plays a rule to protect democracy. Independent industry has power.
The tariffs are Trump’s tool to erode that independence. Now, one by one, every industry or company will need to pledge loyalty to Trump in order to get sanctions relief.
8/ What could Trump demand as part of a quiet loyalty pledge?
Public shows of support from executives for all his economic policy. Contributions to his political efforts. Promises to police employees’ support for his political opposition.
9/ The tariffs are DESIGNED to create economic hardship. Why? So that Trump has a straight face rationale for releasing them, business by business or industry by industry.
As he adjusts or grants relief, it’s a win-win: the economy improves and dissent disappears.
10/ And once Trump has the lawyers, colleges and industry under his thumb, it becomes very hard for the opposition to have any viable space to maneuver.
Trump didn’t invent this strategy. It’s the playbook for democratically elected leaders who want to stay in power forever.
11/ The tariffs aren’t economic policy. They are political weapons.
But as long as we see this clearly, we can stop him. Public mobilization is working. Today, a few Republicans joined Democrats to vote against one set of tariffs.
The people still have the power.
 


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