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[PrimalxConvoy]

How can something that's never been a Titan before be "popular" and "well-known" for being a Titan? When has the G1 Nemesis (which this toy is going to be) ever been a character and not just a lifeless vehicle?

The term "titan" was retroactively attributed to all TFs over a certain size and/or proactively to Tf toys over a certain size. The Nemesis is a well-known character or vehicle that's also been similarly labelled as such. The Nemesis was also a character in the aligned continuity, I believe, with the WFC/FOC being seen as "G1" or "G1 enough".

"Armada" version?

Unicorn Trilogy. I believe you are aware that Armada, Cybertron and Energon were, at least in the US at release, part of the same universe.

Then they aren't Geewunners. "Geewunner" as a term refers to those who don't like anything other than G1. That's how the term came about.

Then perhaps you should not be so quick to judge and bandy about terms that aren't relevant.

Waiting for a Titan to go on sale is what happens with every Titan, not just Cybertron Metroplex. Because all Titans are expensive.

Indeed, but from the comments I've read online, this Titan seemed to garner the most "I might get it when it's cheaper"l/I got it on sale" comments to date.

[Perfectly reasonable criticism] started...the moment it was first unveiled, all primarily because it wasn't something from G1. And this was well before the toy itself was first released and before anyone with any opinions about it got to experience the toy in-hand.

That's perfectly reasonable. As stated before, Notroplex isn't a well-established character that's as popular (or with a popular alt-mode) as the Titan-class characters that have come before it. There was much more desire, from the comments I read, for Armada Tidal Wave, G1 Metrotitan or the Nemesis, or even a much more G1-styled Metroplex.

And the majority of reviews from people who didn't immediately dismiss it as "#NotMyMetroplex" back when it was first revealed have been positive, giving honest and fair criticisms to the toy's minor shortcomings (which every toy has; no toy is flawless) while praising all the good things about it they did enjoy.

The reviews I saw went through the plus and minus points but didn't exactly give it a gold star. They said it basically "was what it was" and left it to the public to make up their own mind. Other reviews stated it wasn't worth the RRP, due to the aformentioned problems with the figure.

Some have even called it one of the best Legacy figures of 2022, right along with other contenders like Voyager class G2 Universe Jhiaxus and Leader class Transmetal II Megatron, both of which have also had their own minor shortcomings criticized but not written off as deal-breakers.

And some have also called it an unfinished, overly expensive rendition of a minor character, with an aesthetically unpleasing altmode whose only saving grace is that it's bigger than the original version. The fact that it's so expensive has been the biggest reason people have given it a wide berth, which is why it probably won't be getting any "best Legacy figure" awards anytime soon. Basically, this suffers from many similar problems many smaller or even equivalent figures have, but due to the unpopularity/unfamiliarity of/with the character and the high price point, has left it near the bottom of, from what I've gathered, most TF collectors' "to buy" lists (unless it's on steep sale).

I don't have one myself, but Cybertron Metroplex is another case where DNA offers an add on kit that costs less than trying to shapeways the parts, and does correct most of the complaints. If you got one on the many sales still going on, it winds up coming out even or better, too.

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Yes. I think if we had such sales in Japan (which, by and large, we don't, as Notroplex was around ¥30,000, if I recall) and I knew that set was coming out, I might have got it. I think a total price of the figure and the kit for about $100 would work for me.

 

[AgentOrange]

You're dying all alone on this hill, but keep pushing that boulder

 

[Blot]

Gotta try hard to convince everyone he's not a Geewunner while saying how much he hates "Notroplex" and presumably "Not Shot" and "Won't Startscream".

 

[AgentOrange]

Gotta try hard to convince everyone he's not a Geewunner while saying how much he hates "Notroplex" and presumably "Not Shot" and "Won't Startscream".

The doubling down and refusal to accept and admit a mistake after referring to him as Armada Metroplex is definitely helping the case too

 

[Robogeek1973]

I love Cybertron Metroplex.

He's my second favorite after the Scorponok mold.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

Something, something, aimed at being abusive, please block me.

Something, something, I didn't read your posts and have got the wrong end of the stick, so please block me too

Ahh, two trolls for the block-list, I see. In we go then. Try not to bite each other, eh? Food is served twice a day.

In other news, new comparison pics.

 

[AgentOrange]

Darn. When did this place become tfw2005? Please don't bring that kind of argumentative stuff here, all. I like the usual peaceful environment here.

When primalxconvoy actually managed to get banned from tfw2005 and decided to flee here is a good start. TFW did get BB Shockwave though, so six of one half dozen of the other

 

[Dekafox]

Ahh, two trolls for the block-list, I see. In we go then. Try not to bite each other, eh? Food is served twice a day.

In other news, new comparison pics.

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OK, back Wreck-gar is the SS86. I can't place the front one though. It's not RTS and it's not CW. G1 has the huge head. I don't recall Wreck-Gar getting any other upcoming new toys offhand, beyond two non-transformable ones where his goatee goes halfway down his chest. 3rd party or KO?

And on another note, while I'm basically indifferent to the Titan Cyb Metroplex(though I'm glad people are enjoying it), "Notroplex" being constantly used is kind of annoying. I had no idea what was even being referred to at first until I read back and picked out the context and replies. Personally I think calling it Megalo if you don't want to write out Cyb Metroplex is a fine way to handle it(or perhaps Legacy Metroplex, since there's only one of those) but Notroplex is something I've -never- heard of outside this thread and unless this is the next "var mode," I'd guess there's other people who might come across these posts and be confused at first too before reading back. So in the interest of readibility if that discussion continues, would it be possible to use Megalo at least, if you don't want to write out Cyb Metroplex each time? Or at the very least just Legacy Metroplex? Please and thank you?

 

[Darth_Prime]

The doubling down and refusal to accept and admit a mistake after referring to him as Armada Metroplex is definitely helping the case too

This makes me laugh. And then trying to lump it in because its part of the Unicron Trilogy. Just admit you were wrong and move on.

also, can we stop the childish bs?

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

[Irrelevant/inaccurate comment removed from quote]

The trolls responsible for their childish remarks have been blocked, wheras the difference between Armada/Cybertron/Energon was a moot point and irrelevant to the discussion. I'm sure with that out of the way we are all ready to move on.

As for the errant Wreckgar, I would think it's a Legend-class 3P?

 

[NovaSaber]

No, it's famous for being a massive ship, both by those that grew up with G1, Beast Wars and even the WFC/FOC games. It's widely known TF lore and thus isn't a surprise that it's getting the Titan Class treatment.

With the exception of the Ark (which is several times more iconic than the Nemesis), the "this vehicle that isn't a Transformer gets made as a toy that is" thing had never been done at a size above Voyager, and primarily only in movie lines.
So yeah, it would be surprising if it had been revealed without being rumored beforehand.

I don't recall stating anything about G1. I myself would welcome Tidalwave or any other decent non-G1 set, such as Orcanoch, etc.

Well, Orcanoch is one that actually would be more obscure than the Nemesis...probably more interesting, though.

No, not really. The Nemesis is far more well-known in TF lore and has a far longer history/featured more prevalently in TF media:

- https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Nemesis_(G1)

- https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Metroplex_(Cybertron)

You can't judge prominence by wiki page length. It's skewed by things like the Nemesis's page having more than one crew list, and the lengthy toy entry for TR Trypticon who most people wouldn't identify as being the Nemesis.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

Well, Orcanoch is one that actually would be more obscure than the Nemesis...probably more interesting, though.

However, neither Orchanoch, nor the Predacon spider base would honestly get made as a titan class figure, due to their parts-forming and lack of real relevance to the fandom. I included it to show how erroneously proffering "gee-wunner" was.

You can't judge prominence by wiki page length. It's skewed by things like the Nemesis's page having more than one crew list, and the lengthy toy entry for TR Trypticon who most people wouldn't identify as being the Nemesis.

I didn't. I based it upon the amount of different media and toys linked to that character, which I believe the wiki apply demonstrates in my favour.

 

[Blot]

Ahh, two trolls for the block-list, I see. In we go then. Try not to bite each other, eh? Food is served twice a day.

He mad I thought up "Won't Startscream" before he did.

 

[LBD "Nytetrayn"]

I'm pretty sure the Nemesis Titan won't need recognition as much, because it's probably just going to be a cool toy, since it's the Decepticon counterpart/equivalent.

Trypticon > Metroplex

Scorponok > Fortress Maximus

And thus, Nemesis will probably be > The Ark.

Incidentally, I wouldn't mind if Hasbro drew more from the Victory for it, since it would be neat to be able to transform it and reconstruct the Decepticons' underwater base as a playset.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Since the Ark's robot mode was inspired by the Last Autobot, who could the Nemesis be based on? My main thoughts are Liege Maximo or D-Void/Deceptigod.

 

[Gizmoboy]

Okay, let's just redirect the conversation away from the back-and-forth about Metroplex please. It is starting to devolve to becoming personal.

I am excited about the Nemesis. I've been a fan of the ship ever since G1 and the simple concept sketches that leaked a little while back make the transformation sequence look fun and interesting.

Ultra Magnus I'm kind of on the fence about. I really enjoy Siege Magnus so not sure I'm willing to pay out Commander pricing for another. He'll have to be really special for me to do that.

 

[Donocropolis]

Incidentally, I wouldn't mind if Hasbro drew more from the Victory for it, since it would be neat to be able to transform it and reconstruct the Decepticons' underwater base as a playset.

Much like I would have preferred that the Ark transform into an Autobot Base / Mt. St. Hilary playset, I would actually love if the Nemesis transformed into the underwater Decepticon base (I know it's incorrect and that the Victory wreckage is what became the base, but the heart wants what it wants.)

 

[Platypus Prime]

Very few people remember that the underwater base wasn't the Decepticons original ship anyway, and the physical similarities were debated all the way back on Ben Yee's old discussion board, with the usual head-canon being that the Decepticons used either parts for or blueprints from their first ship to make things work, so a base mode makes sense. Extending tower gimmick?

I'd not be surprised if the Purple Griffon did make an appearance, simply because it exists and would have a hard time fitting anywhere else, like how Countdown wound up with Omega's big rocket. Besides, it's not the first time we saw a 'beast' counterpart to the Autobot city/base. Metroplex with Trypticon was obvious but Fort Max had 1/3 of Skorponok too...

 

[Sabrblade]

Since the Ark's robot mode was inspired by the Last Autobot, who could the Nemesis be based on? My main thoughts are Liege Maximo or D-Void/Deceptigod.

In the poster for Evolution, everyone thought the Nemesis's face was Tarn, so I'm guessing it'll have this great big Tarn-looking face:

Very few people remember that the underwater base wasn't the Decepticons original ship anyway, and the physical similarities were debated all the way back on Ben Yee's old discussion board, with the usual head-canon being that the Decepticons used either parts for or blueprints from their first ship to make things work, so a base mode makes sense.

The Nemesis being found underwater in Beast Wars likely did no favors for this misconception.

The underwater base being the Nemesis was definitely made true in both the Dreamwave G1 comics and in certain stories found in the 2004 Transformers Legends anthology book, no doubt inspired by this misconception.

 

[Salt-Man Z]

It'd be pretty sweet if the Nemesis could also transform into a symbol ship.