You jest, but listings for Core class Tasmania Kid have already been leaked for Legacy proper.
Y'all are going to make me google this, aren't you?
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... so beast wars snarl? I'm missing an inside joke here somewhere...
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... so beast wars snarl? I'm missing an inside joke here somewhere...
Just have a rabbit that talks on stand by or a Duck who is a bit of a screwball and a greedy one at that!
Remember, two Rongs don't make a Ring.
...I have no idea what I'm arguing about. Am I winning...?
On the other note, I do wonder seriously if the odd 'Tasmania Kid' thing is just due to Snarl (name) being used for the Dinobot, and maybe trying to avoid using it twice. But then I look at the several OTHER name reuses going on RIGHT NOW, and it doesn't work, so I'm a bit confused.
...I have no idea what I'm arguing about. Am I winning...?
On the other note, I do wonder seriously if the odd 'Tasmania Kid' thing is just due to Snarl (name) being used for the Dinobot, and maybe trying to avoid using it twice. But then I look at the several OTHER name reuses going on RIGHT NOW, and it doesn't work, so I'm a bit confused.
I think its a bit of both; possibly not using Snarl due to the dinobot; but also using the version that has actual fiction then just a toy only character.
Having a starring role in two back-to-back comic series doesn't count as "actual fiction"?
I’m mostly surprised they didn’t try to retcon him into the Dinobot somehow.
also that the IDW Beast Wars comics weren’t some kind of fever dream.
also that the IDW Beast Wars comics weren’t some kind of fever dream.
Heh, well, turns out the fandom was mistaken about the Sourcebook implying BW Mutant Soundwave to be G1 Soundwave. All his profile said was that he had previously fought in a war that ended with the signing on the Pax Cybertronia. And according to the IDW BW timeline as laid out by the Sourcebook, the war that the Pax Cybertronia ended was not the G1 Great War fought between the Autobots and Decepticons, but rather a different BW Great War fought between the Maximals and Predacons (as nonsensical as that sounds, see the link for more).
I thought it was just that the Autobots and Decepticons became Maximals and Predacons DURING the great war (in the 300 some-odd year between the arrival on Earth and the start of Beasts Wars.) not that they made peace, upgraded, and then started a new war.
BW is VERY vague about it.
IIRC, we are told:
The Great War ended.
300 Years latter is the Maximal ruled Cybertron of the BW Present.
We are not told:
When the Great War ended (2005? 2023? 4333?)
What planets "Years " we talking about? Cybertrons?
And then latter fiction added the caveat few probably had even thought of "What if they were talking about an entirely different 'Great War' than we were thinking."
-ZacWilliam, they really should have called it Great War II then, even we dumb humans figured that out.
IIRC, we are told:
The Great War ended.
300 Years latter is the Maximal ruled Cybertron of the BW Present.
We are not told:
When the Great War ended (2005? 2023? 4333?)
What planets "Years " we talking about? Cybertrons?
And then latter fiction added the caveat few probably had even thought of "What if they were talking about an entirely different 'Great War' than we were thinking."
-ZacWilliam, they really should have called it Great War II then, even we dumb humans figured that out.
Actually original intent was that the Great War mentioned was a War between Maximal and Predacons; but since it was vague; Fans all assumed it was talking about Autobots and Decepticons; and the writers went "sure, why not?" and ran with that instead.
And this is why the history between the Autobot/Decepticon era and the Maximals/Predacon era is such a vague mess.
The first episode made mention of an event called the "Great War". Bob Forward originally didn't intend for it to mean much beyond "some conflict happened in the past and that's why the Maximals and Predacons presently don't like each other." But then the fandom latched onto the idea of it referring to the Autobot/Decepticon war of G1, and so Forward and DiTillio leaned into that notion, making it official in all references to the "Great War" in the rest of Beast Wars, and even its one mention in Beast Machines.
The first episode even had Optimus say "There has been peace between the Maximals and Predacons for centuries." Combined with the show cementing the Great War as referring to the Autobot/Decepticon war, the idea that there was ever a war between between the Maximals and Predacons (let alone one that was also called the "Great War") is pretty antithetical to the show's intent.
Yet, circa 2005-2009, Ben Yee was given the lucky opportunity to write/co-write some Beast Wars fiction for both Fun Pub and IDW, in which he invented the idea of there having been a separate "Great War" fought between the Maximals and Predacons in the years before Megatron stole the Golden Disk. Specifically, the BotCon 2005 Deathsaurus toy bio, Optimus and Megatron's BotCon 2006 toy bios and their extended "Dawn of Future's Past" profiles, the Fun Pub prose story "The Razor's Edge", the Beast Wars Sourcebook, and the BotCon 2009 Razorclaw toy bios all provided details about this war, and even made Optimus and Megatron veterans of this war (which is just nuts).
As for the exact time between the Autobot/Decepticon age and the Maximal/Predacon age, two official timeframes were given between Beast Wars and Beast Machines. The first was in the Beast Wars episode "Dark Designs", in which Blackarachnia said about the Decepticon Shrapnel, "That was a Decepticon from the Great Wars three centuries ago!" This "three centuries" claim is the most commonly known one, the one that most Beast Wars tie-in material from BotCon and IDW have run with... and the one that honestly makes the least amount of sense. We're talking about a race that can live for millions of years, and yet after a measly three centuries do the Autobots and Decepticons go completely extinct and fade into the realm of myth and legend?
And, yes, they were regarded as such by the Maximals and Predacons. The episode "Possession" first established that the 'Bots and 'Cons were not only the "ancestors" of the Maxies and Preds, but specifically their "ancient ancestors". Something "ancient" for a millions-of-years-old people ought to be well over a few centuries old, which brings me the other timeframe, the one given in Beast Machines. In the episode "Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search", Nightscream says of the ancient Autobot city of Iacon, "This city was lost eons ago after the Great War between the Autobots and the Decepticons." That's right, he said "eons ago", which is much more in line with how far removed from the Autobots and Decepticons the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons intended the Maximal and Predacons to be.
When Starscream first showed up in "Possession", the only ones who had ever heard of him (one of the most infamous Decepticons of all time, no less) were Optimus, Dinobot, and Blackarachnia. When Blackarachnia and Silverbolt find the Ark in "The Agenda (Part III)", Silverbolt admits that he thought the Ark was only a legend. Over in Beast Machines, Vector Sigma is confirmed to have evolved into the Oracle at some point in the past, but by the first episode, everyone only remembers the computer by its "Oracle" name and were convinced that its existence was "just a legend." In "The Key", Tankor-Rhinox asks Optimus if he's ever heard of the Key to Vector Sigma, to which Optimus says is just "An old Autobot legend." In "End of the Line", when Megatron hears about Optimus having found the Plasma Energy Chamber, Megatron is in disbelief, yelling "The Plasma Energy Chamber is only a legend!" Even in the Beast Wars production bible, it states that the Maximals' and Predacons' knowledge of their having been descended from the Autobots and Decepticons originates from "Cybertron Mythology".
And a big one that the fandom completely overlooked is the fact that Ravage's reconstruction from Decepticon to Predacon, and his continued existence in the Max/Pred age, was known only as a rumor! This even suggests that the whole notion of the Autobots and Decepticons being downsized into Maximals and Predacons was never an intention by the cartoon itself, and the very concept even originated from outside of the show (see the Notes section of this page, starting with the second bullet point, for more).
And yet, as I said, the "three centuries" claim is the one that got noticed more and was ultimately used by both BotCon and IDW, allowing both to narrow the gap between G1 and Beast Wars in their own ways, all to inject more G1 into Beast Wars instead of allowing Beast Wars to stand tall on its own original lore and merits.
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It works well enough as vague background setting. They could have made it more specific but ultimately, that just wasn't their priority and I mostly agree.
Not sure why I made the mistake of posting this in the wrong thread, but here's a link to the Takara Tomy "Gadep" (AKA "Omega Sentinel/Guardian Robot") at another thread here at the boards :
- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/studio-series-2022-first-look.437/post-94012
Here's a comparison pic with some (much cheaper) 3P versions.
- https://www.allspark.com/forums/threads/studio-series-2022-first-look.437/post-94012
Here's a comparison pic with some (much cheaper) 3P versions.
They didn't need to have any access in order to decide to treat all the G1 stuff as relics from a long-forgotten period of history so old and so far back in time from the present that it's all treated as mere mythology and legends that most of the characters initially doubt were ever really true (until they were proven otherwise, that is).
Like, three centuries ago for us is the Old West. Not exactly some long lost era that time forgot.
Yes, but we do live long enough that we could know people that were alive back in the Old West. Transformers can live of millions of years. Compared to us, that's like saying what happened in the 90s is some mythical lost era.