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CoffeeHorse

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My theory for what TLK did to me is that the narrative is so disconnected in such a dreamlike way that my brain thought I actually was asleep, and started shutting down parts it thought it didn't need. It was the exact opposite of lucid dreaming. I was awake and unconscious at the same time.

I was fully conscious for the horror of AOE, so I'd say it was the worse experience.
 

Agent X

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The Last Knight got really fun (for me) when the film changed focus to England.

The fun part of AOE for me was..... Li bingbing drinking water?
 

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And if nothing else, The Last Knight had a FAR superior musical score relative to AoE.
I'm not sure about that (few parts of TLK's score really stick out to me the way Lockdown's theme and Autobots Reunite do), but Jablonsky's work was consistently one of the things that kept me coming back to watch these.
 

unluckiness

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The Last Knight got really fun (for me) when the film changed focus to England.

The fun part of AOE for me was..... Li bingbing drinking water?
best part was the bald dude Chinese milk product placement.

also, if being in AoE wasn’t enough of a turn off, never drink Chinese milk.
 

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I'm not sure about that (few parts of TLK's score really stick out to me the way Lockdown's theme and Autobots Reunite do), but Jablonsky's work was consistently one of the things that kept me coming back to watch these.
See, ya can’t even keep the film’s straight :p

(Lockdown was in Age of Extinction, The Last Knight was the one with Suddenly-Megatron-Again, Quintessa, and not-Nemesis Prime.). Age of Extinction’s score was probably the weakest work Jablonsky did for the franchise.
 

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Yes, that's what I meant. Not much about TLK's score stood out to me the way that (or as much as) those two pieces from Age of Extinction did, which is why I remember AOE's score more fondly than TLK's. Or at least those parts of it.

(Also, doesn't he explicitly call himself Nemesis Prime in TLK? That I'm hazier on recollecting, but I vaguely recall rolling my eyes at them making Peter Cullen roar yet another edgy line that fell flat.)
 
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Sabrblade

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(Also, doesn't he explicitly call himself Nemesis Prime in TLK? That I'm hazier on recollecting, but I vaguely recall rolling my eyes at them making Peter Cullen roar yet another edgy line that fell flat.)
He does, yes.

Or, maybe it was Quintessa who called him that? (I really don't wanna watch the movie again)

Either way, he was definitely called "Nemesis Prime" in TLK.

What Steevy meant by "not-Nemesis Prime" was the fact that it was Optimus himself corrupted to evil instead of Nemesis Prime being a separate individual cloned/modeled after Optimus in appearance.
 

Sabrblade

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Did 'Galvatron' ever address himself Galvatron in AOE?
Yes. "I am Galvatron!" was spoken right before he infected the other KSI Prototypes with his evil energy. That one I do remember.
 

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He does, yes.

Or, maybe it was Quintessa who called him that? (I really don't wanna watch the movie again)

Either way, he was definitely called "Nemesis Prime" in TLK.

What Steevy meant by "not-Nemesis Prime" was the fact that it was Optimus himself corrupted to evil instead of Nemesis Prime being a separate individual cloned/modeled after Optimus in appearance.

She doesn't, at least not in their initial encounter.
And he does announce it while fighting Bumblebee.
Sigh, rewatching that made me sad.

But yeah, I'm with Steevy on that. It's so... lazy. "And then he's a bad guy now, so he should call himself Nemesis Prime!"
 

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I'm a big fan of TLK's score.

I also really dig the opening scene with King Arthur and the Knights of Cybertron. So much so that I began thinking that some sort of TF series set in Medieval Europe would be fun. You could have Knight themed Autobots and Viking themed Decepticons...

Anyway yeah. The movie is a mess but there are aspects of the design of parts of it that have a seed of a fun idea.

That's the best I got.
 

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I need to listen to it again. I did like the sting of music with "Did you forget who I am?" and the Seglass ni Tonday motif.
 

Sabrblade

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I also really dig the opening scene with King Arthur and the Knights of Cybertron. So much so that I began thinking that some sort of TF series set in Medieval Europe would be fun. You could have Knight themed Autobots and Viking themed Decepticons...
This post might be right up your alley, then. ;)
 

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And when you can put that on a movie poster and my initial is reaction resounding indifference, it kinda says how the movies wore out their good will.
They put it in the movie trailer, which was the only reason I watched that film.
 

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My non-TF friends loved the image of Optimus with a sword riding Grimlock, but in a "holy crap, Michael Bay has lost it" sort of way.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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My personal opinion is that GI Joe needs to embrace the Adventure Team aspect as the military one is just too controversial these days.
You can still have Cobra as the villains, you can even have them affiliated with the US government. But you gotta get away from the reliance on the "US military or nothing" mentality.

I've been saying this for years upon years now. (Been meaning to write an article on the idea, too.)

Basically since MTMTE/Lost Light was a thing.

It's like, basically do that, but with GI Joe.

And before anyone says anything, I don't mean literally just doing that, but use it as a template of how to take a war-based franchise past its war-based roots and still keep the conflict and entertaining aspects. Doesn't have to be the same tone or high jinks or whatever.

And hey, as noted by invoking Adventure Team, this is something GI Joe did first, long before MTMTE or even ARAH.

I'd make the lot of them ex-military, brought on by a secret organization to _________. I dunno, fill in the blank with some sort of quest, objective, Macguffin hunt, whatever, all across the globe. But there's the reason for your military-ish namedrop without them being military.

And there are ways to go about the Cobra aspect. One is to make the Joe/Cobra conflict, as we know it, sort of the backstory behind both sides.

Or have many of the major characters sort of be their own faction. Cobra, Destro and MARS, Major Bludd and his guys, Zartan and the Dreadnoks. Lots of room for teaming up and backstabbing. Each with their own goals and reasons for going after whatever they're going after.

I think part of the reason they switched back to Bay style after BB is because the BB movie wasn't exactly a huge hit in cinemas and thought to go back to the Micheal Bay style with some character development for the TFs and giving them actual roles, but in the end, they end up killing the villians again, which is part of the reason that the movies are going downhill, they add big name characters only to kill them off in the same movie and not really work with the established TF lore that has been built up, but then, I'm a little tired of the Allspark being a object that the two sides fight over or generally having a mcguffin to the plot as that started in serious with the anime TF series, when just trying to obtain energy, seemed more intersting, thou I highly doult they'll stop doing that

Oh, I've said this before, but I am SO TIRED of the Allspark being the sole reason Transformers seem to go to war any more. At least it feels like we're getting away from that.

Earthspark mixed it up a bit, and I guess RotB did, too. Make energy a thing again for an outing.

Hell, these days, you could probably get away with some play on class warfare by making Decepticons the entitled elite (sort of flipping the more recent origins of Megatron on its head, though he could still be that and forget where he came from), and Autobots the lower-class guys trying to step up and keep the rich assholes from ruining everything for everyone everywhere.
 

Sabrblade

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I'd make the lot of them ex-military, brought on by a secret organization to _________. I dunno, fill in the blank with some sort of quest, objective, Macguffin hunt, whatever, all across the globe. But there's the reason for your military-ish namedrop without them being military.
They're brought together by an aged former adventurer named Henry, who's grown too old to carry on the life he's lived and now needs the younger generation of ex-G.I.s to continue his legacy in his stead. Named in honor of Henry himself, this team of globetrotting treasure protectors is known as G.I. Jones!
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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They're brought together by an aged former adventurer named Henry, who's grown too old to carry on the life he's lived and now needs the younger generation of ex-G.I.s to continue his legacy in his stead. Named in honor of Henry himself, this team of globetrotting treasure protectors is known as G.I. Jones!
I'm not as opposed to this as you may think.

And whoever is given the codename misunderstands, and we wind up with GI Joe.
 


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