Transformers: Rise of the Beasts
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Didn't they say they already had a trilogy in mind?
Granted, of course they'd say that. And also we'll see given what the returns are.
Granted, of course they'd say that. And also we'll see given what the returns are.
I’d feel like there was an overarching plan if we hadn’t gone directly from yellow Herbie to the world getting eaten.
I mean, linking Unicron, the Terrorcons and the Maximals together in a cohesive way that actually made sense is pretty intelligent writing, something these movies desperately needed.
Teasing Unicron here will make his big attack (if it ever happens) fit better as opposed to the 86 movie where he just comes out of nowhere and the macguffin that is used to destroy him is revealed to have been with us the entire time.
Using the terrorcons as *basically* Hook, Line and Sinker as a precursor to (presumably) Galvatron and whoever joins him does a good job of establishing a pattern in Unicron having underlings, if they feel like going that route.
Honestly, the only thing I didn't adore about this movie is Optimus as a rage monster. I get he's upset but, my god. If you are "breaking" from Bay "continuity" you could have left this character trait behind.
Teasing Unicron here will make his big attack (if it ever happens) fit better as opposed to the 86 movie where he just comes out of nowhere and the macguffin that is used to destroy him is revealed to have been with us the entire time.
Using the terrorcons as *basically* Hook, Line and Sinker as a precursor to (presumably) Galvatron and whoever joins him does a good job of establishing a pattern in Unicron having underlings, if they feel like going that route.
Honestly, the only thing I didn't adore about this movie is Optimus as a rage monster. I get he's upset but, my god. If you are "breaking" from Bay "continuity" you could have left this character trait behind.
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I still think they at least did a good job in justifying Prime’s aggressive behavior far more than in prior films. And, if they build off this film as they seem to want, we could get some character development from that. AND, at least his personality is consistent.
I remember in most of the Bay sequels, Prime would change from ”wise leader” to “Kill them all and bring me their faces” on a dime.
I remember in most of the Bay sequels, Prime would change from ”wise leader” to “Kill them all and bring me their faces” on a dime.
There is, an albeit loose, and probably accidental, arc in Bay Prime's character. First movie he is relatively sane, but the betrayal of his brother (megatron) has him all sad and ashamed, to the point where he's cool with making the ultimate sacrifice by having the allspark rammed in his chest.
He doesn't do that, and megs dies. And he still skewers Bonecrusher on the highway. Which, violent but it is war.
Anyways, in revenge of the fallen, he dies, and this is where his aggression really elevates. I mean, the man wears a corpse and starts taking faces. Optimus definitely did not enjoy dying.
Dark of the Moon, he is betrayed both by the humans he has decided to protect and his mentor. To say this made him jaded and bitter would be an understatement. Sure, the Autobots needed time to regroup, but he essentially lets the Deceptions invade unimpeded to prove a point to humans they shouldn't have exiled his crew, then takes care of megatron and sentinel himself, while losing an arm in the process.
In age of extinction, the humans betray prime further as Cemetery Wind sets out to exterminate them. By this point, optimus has lost more friends and is blasting evil humans and wondering what any of this all means.
And by the last knight, even though you have Unicron mucking with him, he straight up becomes nemesis prime. Which, I had always wanted the more psycho he got. Like, if you're gonna do it, do it.
Anyways, where was I going? I guess it makes *sense* over the course of five movies for *this* Prime to be a maniac. Here, in Rise of the Beasts, I felt he hadnt had all that jive happen to him yet and he's already THERE.
Granted, they could expand on this in the next one like you said. Time will tell.
(Also, having Scourge BE future Optimus (or A future Optimus) still would have been a logical step for him, but whatever. Scourge is Scourge, whoever that is)
He doesn't do that, and megs dies. And he still skewers Bonecrusher on the highway. Which, violent but it is war.
Anyways, in revenge of the fallen, he dies, and this is where his aggression really elevates. I mean, the man wears a corpse and starts taking faces. Optimus definitely did not enjoy dying.
Dark of the Moon, he is betrayed both by the humans he has decided to protect and his mentor. To say this made him jaded and bitter would be an understatement. Sure, the Autobots needed time to regroup, but he essentially lets the Deceptions invade unimpeded to prove a point to humans they shouldn't have exiled his crew, then takes care of megatron and sentinel himself, while losing an arm in the process.
In age of extinction, the humans betray prime further as Cemetery Wind sets out to exterminate them. By this point, optimus has lost more friends and is blasting evil humans and wondering what any of this all means.
And by the last knight, even though you have Unicron mucking with him, he straight up becomes nemesis prime. Which, I had always wanted the more psycho he got. Like, if you're gonna do it, do it.
Anyways, where was I going? I guess it makes *sense* over the course of five movies for *this* Prime to be a maniac. Here, in Rise of the Beasts, I felt he hadnt had all that jive happen to him yet and he's already THERE.
Granted, they could expand on this in the next one like you said. Time will tell.
(Also, having Scourge BE future Optimus (or A future Optimus) still would have been a logical step for him, but whatever. Scourge is Scourge, whoever that is)
At last year's BotCon, there was a panel in the style of a college lecture that psychoanalyzed this exact character arc of Prime, complete with the the fact that, from Movie 1 to AOE, Optimus gradually shifts from being right-handed to left-handed, symbolically illustrating this journey of his.
Quintessa did that. Unicron was asleep for the whole movie.
Her own? She wanted to destroy Unicron and revitalize Cybertron. That's why she attacked the Earth, which was Unicron.
You probably thought that because it would have made more sense than the actual movie.
ROTF was full of corrections. Prime was a better fighter, the Decepticons got to speak more, and the camerawork was a lot smoother. It's a shame the production was so chaotic because it feels like they had good intentions.
My theory is they never had a finished script again. Maybe Paramount executives looked at ROTF's box office numbers and decided that they didn't need those striking writers after all.
There was another strike during TLK's production?
Honest question. I wasn't in the loop on such news at the time.
No. I suspect they tried to blunt the power of future strikes by reducing the role of writers. I don't think DOTM or AOE or TLK had complete scripts. I think ROTF convinced them that they don't need one.
I see.
Although, TLK was the movie that had the big writer's room thing at Paramount.