Transformers: Rise of the Beasts

PrimalxConvoy

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I just watched the film via a party streaming site. For me, the from was ok. It was slightly better than Bayformers, but it wasn't great.

Good:
- No racist, sexist content (although I didn't get the "speaking Spanish = racism" scene with "Pablo", as I thought one person lived in Peru while the other person was Hispanic themselves?

- The action scenes were slightly more easier to understand than usual. Not a bunch of exploding tinfoil being opened and folded right in front of my eyeballs, etc.

- Most of the dialogue wasn't mumbled or indistinct.

- They mentioned the British sport of "cricket", presumably because the lead female character has roots to the West Indies (although this was never stated, I think)?

- They used "regular" looking male and female leads, making them more identifiable (perhaps) to more people. No college jocks and supermodels. I hope this trend continues.

Bad:
- The CGI looked ok for some scenes and quite bad in others. Frames seemed to drop for some transformations, robots didn't move with the correct weight or gravity, etc. They used a cheaper effects company and it showed. Considering this is a major part of the film (and arguably where the film's "money shots" are), I was not impressed.

- Prime is out of character (again). He's whiney and too aggressive. There really wasn't enough character building (as usual) for the Autobots to validate how they acted in the film.

- The enemies suffered from the trope of being indestructible at the beginning and suddenly made of paper at the end, when the plot demanded it.

- inconsistencies, such as Scourge's "cosmic rust" corrupting some but not others when he directly or indirectly came into contact with them.

- Mirage. As I'm not American, I've no idea who the voice actor is and thus no connection or empathy with him. Ironically, he kept mentioning "ET", which showed how even a latex puppet can gain more empathy simply by the quality of dialogue, plot and scenes between a boy and an alien bonding. Mirage didn't have anything close to those scenes.

- The whole film, like many Bay films, felt like much of the ever-so-important plot and dialogue got cut, leaving unfinished, hastily made scenes and stunted dialogue.

It's not a film I would watch again, and unlike Bumblebee, there weren't any clips that I want to watch again at YouTube (unlike the first 4 minutes of BB and the fight between BB and "not-Starscream" near the start) either.

I spent most of my time on my phone or fiddling with some TF toys while the film was on.
 

Steevy Maximus

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It’s (semi) official- Rise of the Beasts has crossed $150 million at the US box office. The first Transformers film to do so since Age of the Extinction in 2014.
Worldwide is still lagging behind Bumblebee at $411 million, but there are still several major markets yet to see it open and results are usually delayed anyway. It seems HIGHLY probably that the film will finish its run with a worldwide gross in the same ballpark as Bumblebee.

Again, not a MASSIVE success, but hardly the level of flop a LOT of films this summer have ended up being. These are also purely theatrical numbers, and don’t include the digital sales or back end residuals from toy sales.
 

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Well yeah, because they have to just collect what critics say. Wikipedia isn't a critic in and of itself.
 

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Just for fun

Transformers: The Movie - 43/8.2 Metacritic (Critical Reception/User Ratings), 62%/88% Rotten Tomatoes (Critical Reception/User Ratings) (Just using this as a nomenclature example)

Transformers - 61/6.9 MC, 57%/85% RT
Revenge of the Fallen - 35/5.4 MC, 20%/57% RT
Dark of the Moon - 42/4.8 MC, 35%/55% RT
Age of Extinction - 32/4.5 MC, 18%/50% RT
The Last Knight - 27/4.1 MC, 16%/43% RT
Bumblebee - 66/6.9 MC, 91%/74% RT
Rise of the Beasts - 42/5.4 MC, 53%/91% RT

That RT user ratings for RotB seems to be out of place, though maybe that means the movie will make things up a bit on home video.
 

Steevy Maximus

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Well yeah, because they have to just collect what critics say. Wikipedia isn't a critic in and of itself.
I’ve also found there to be more than a little bit of bias when it comes to reviews of films like Transformers. More than a few of them felt like the reviews were mostly written or a view established BEFORE even seeing the film.

Bumblebee was well reviewed almost in SPITE of the general preconceptions associated with the Transformers franchise.
 

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I’ve also found there to be more than a little bit of bias when it comes to reviews of films like Transformers. More than a few of them felt like the reviews were mostly written or a view established BEFORE even seeing the film.

Bumblebee was well reviewed almost in SPITE of the general preconceptions associated with the Transformers franchise.
you can blame a decade of Michael Bay poisoning the well by violently defecating all over the franchise for that. case in point:
Transformers - 61/6.9 MC, 57%/85% RT
Revenge of the Fallen - 35/5.4 MC, 20%/57% RT
Dark of the Moon - 42/4.8 MC, 35%/55% RT
Age of Extinction - 32/4.5 MC, 18%/50% RT
The Last Knight - 27/4.1 MC, 16%/43% RT
honestly i have no idea how Dark of the Moon got 35% on RT. it's not as terrible as the other sequels, but it's still pretty damn godawful.

Bay single-handedly turned Transformers into a byword for terrible, terrible movies. i'm ******* infuriated people are trying to rehabilitate him.
 
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Steevy Maximus

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Some in hand pictures of Ultimate Optimus Primal. Contrary to earlier reports/information, the figure is NOT 11”. Linked are images of comparison shots between UOP and the original Beast Wars Ultra Optimus Primal. They are practically the same size in beast mode, while Rise of the Beast gets a little taller in bot mode. Also, a comparison with Power of Primes Optimal Optimus.
 

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Haven't been following. Was this ever marketed as a "premium collector item" or is this just fandom goggles demanding something a cut above "cheap mainline crap" stupid wah wah baby toys?

I do see where they're coming from about the hardpoints breaking up the lines. It's a bit like the Arms Micron placement.

That's a great beast mode head, though.
 

Steevy Maximus

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Haven't been following. Was this ever marketed as a "premium collector item" or is this just fandom goggles demanding something a cut above "cheap mainline crap" stupid wah wah baby toys?

I do see where they're coming from about the hardpoints breaking up the lines. It's a bit like the Arms Micron placement.

That's a great beast mode head, though.
Hasbro, basically, never marketed the $60 “Ultimate” Optimus Primal toy at all. All indications are this was a TakaraTomy deal that Hasbro was courteous enough to offer to import through its “fan channel” partners. Reportedly, this figure runs around $40 in Japan, but I think Hasbro added a bit of an “import fee” on their pricing. The figure IS considered part of Takara’s mainline (Beast Alliance et al) movie product, an upper tier offering above the typical Core Voyager or Beast Combiner offerings. It seems very much a blending of the two main product styles (the Beast Alliance gimmick toys and the Core “traditional” toys) into a singular upper tier offering.
The closest analogy I can think of was Transformers Adventure TAV21 Optimus Prime- a larger, more detailed, take on the Robots in Disguise Optimus Prime design…but not AS heavily focused on the simpler gimmick/transformation toys Hasbro was pushing in its larger price points.

I get the vibe a LOT of fans have been crapping on this JUST because it’s not a premium collector item, despite its cost. If the pictures are accurate, and it’s about the size/complexity of the old Ultra Primal, Hasbro reissued THAT toy a couple years ago for $50. I’ve been digging it because I’ve actually liked the Beast Alliance concept, and was dissatisfied with how the basic Core Voyager turned out. And my initial impressions of Studio Series Primal have been negative as (aside from the accessories), I can SEE the endless panels and folds they’ve used to try and make a distinction between the modes. Not only that, but I don’t feel Studio Series (as we’ve seen it) is appreciably more “film accurate” than the Ultimate figure. It has more articulation and more complexity, but it STILL doesn’t do anything good with the gorilla feet, it has at least two massive panels hanging off his back, and they couldn’t even get the correct faceplate design (the Ultimate figure even lets you choose between the two options!).
 
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honestly i have no idea how Dark of the Moon got 35% on RT. it's not as terrible as the other sequels, but it's still pretty damn godawful.

Critics' attention is spread too thin to notice how clumsily DOTM fits the previous films' chronology. If you can ignore that yourself, it's really not that bad.
 

lastmaximal

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I get the vibe a LOT of fans have been crapping on this JUST because it’s not a premium collector item, despite its cost. If the pictures are accurate, and it’s about the size/complexity of the old Ultra Primal, Hasbro reissued THAT toy a couple years ago for $50. I’ve been digging it because I’ve actually liked the Beast Alliance concept, and was dissatisfied with how the basic Core Voyager turned out. And my initial impressions of Studio Series Primal have been negative as (aside from the accessories), I can SEE the endless panels and folds they’ve used to try and make a distinction between the modes. Not only that, but I don’t feel Studio Series (as we’ve seen it) is appreciably more “film accurate” than the Ultimate figure. It has more articulation and more complexity, but it STILL doesn’t do anything good with the gorilla feet, it has at least two massive panels hanging off his back, and they couldn’t even get the correct faceplate design (the Ultimate figure even lets you choose between the two options!).
I was mostly responding to/piqued by the blurb that was part of the quote, which seemed pretty par for the course for fan response. I can see not liking the price, but it's right in there with the automatic assumption that cost is/must always = collectorynessness, which... pass.

Regardless, I'm glad both versions exist so you and I can each get what we want. I'm still waiting for better pictures of the Studio Series Leader, but I'm right out on this one.
 

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Critics' attention is spread too thin to notice how clumsily DOTM fits the previous films' chronology. If you can ignore that yourself, it's really not that bad.

It was my second favorite until Bumblebee and ROTB.

The story isn't horrible and the fall of Chicago is incredible. The Sentinel and Optimus character stuff is surprisingly interesting, if slim pickings. Also, I've always loved "the dreads". Its too bad they haven't made it out to other media.

Its still plagued with goofy Michael Bay quirks but I'll keep it.
 

PrimalxConvoy

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Hasbro, basically, never marketed the $60 “Ultimate” Optimus Primal toy at all. All indications are this was a TakaraTomy deal that Hasbro was courteous enough to offer to import through its “fan channel” partners. Reportedly, this figure runs around $40 in Japan, but I think Hasbro added a bit of an “import fee” on their pricing.
I don't think so. Although the original price is around 45 dollars in Japan, the equivalent price is around 60 dollars (as international products tend to be sold at the same amount of currency "units" in each country, like a videogame being sold for $60 in the US and £60 in the UK for example).

Also, if we ordered this figure from Amazon Japan or TT Mall, we'll get a bonus clear red Cheetor weaponiser (which can also be got from other shops after spending ¥5,000 or more, I think).

- https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/dp/B0..._3307840051_sccl_12/356-8290886-7165231?psc=1
 

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Here's another news story about the status of ROTB's relation to the overall live-action movie continuity:

In a nutshell, Steven Caple Jr. basically breaks it down how literally no one in charge of making these movies cares about making any kind of coherent continuity between films, all deeming continuity a non-priority.

Interviewer: In terms of the continuity of the franchise, are you worried about matching it up with the first Bay film, which suggests that Optimus has never been to earth before…

Caple Jr: …But now it’s kinda broken already. For me, I’m not like fully worried about it. There are things I would love to stay within that line, but at a certain point, we all know it, Bay has admitted it, I had certain conversations with him like, in terms of tracking the storyline by movie 3, 4 and 5 (5 specifically i would say), now it’s kinda like…

Interviewer: …they were freestyling it

Caple Jr: They were freestyling. Unicron is planet earth, it was things like that. Cool conceptually but that’s a lot to unravel and will we ever see Unicron? Cause now it’s Earth. Probably a reason why they stopped right there. So like, for me, I’m not worried about it, it’s about what’s best for the movie. For me, I have my classics. We got movie 1 with Sam witwicky, it’s a classic. Then we got 3, some of the best action I’ve seen in any movie, best Transformers battles, like it was really good. Those are the movies, they’re like stand-alones. For us, we just make sure about our story and if it tracks through each one [we make]. If we try to hold ourselves to what another storyline/ timeline was, we’d definitely be in trouble. Cause at a certain point, I don’t think anyone knew exactly where they were going with 4 and 5.
 

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Retail Price: 300 JPY


Release Date: July 2023

The insignia (logo) of each faction that appears in the movie "Transformers / Beast Awakening" is a heavy die-cast ring. Designed like a college ring, you can feel like you are a member of Transformers just by wearing it. The main body size is about 2.6 x 2.9 cm.

The lineup is

"AUTOBOT"

"MAXIMAL"

"DECEPTICON"

"PREDACON"

All 5 types of "TERRORCON".

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Retail Price: $19.99


Release Date: July 2023

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• Additional Details: Artist crafted by Jake Angell. Plastic Christmas tree ornament.

• Includes: One 2023 Keepsake Ornament in gift box for easy gift giving, preservation and storage.

• Size Approx.: 3.31 x 4.09 x 3.79
 

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Here's another news story about the status of ROTB's relation to the overall live-action movie continuity:

In a nutshell, Steven Caple Jr. basically breaks it down how literally no one in charge of making these movies cares about making any kind of coherent continuity between films, all deeming continuity a non-priority.
 

lastmaximal

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Questions like this keep popping up because they seem to keep hinting at continuing the old continuity or at least avoiding saying they're not (in an interview just before the final trailer hit, there was still talk of that). And I can understand waffling about it in 2018, but Bee's solo film gave us a nice fresh slate and won audiences back to and into the franchise, and there were enough differences from the previous five movies that we can just get on with our lives, rather than keep trying to keep those in the loop and invoking them like it's the goddamn Snyder cut. I don't know what's being preserved by still keeping that tenuous link there rather than just cutting the cord.

Just commit to calling it a soft reboot and move forward. By all indications, audiences been doing the latter well enough, and statements like this all but say the former, so just establish it and draw the line.
 


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