Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Steevy Maximus

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Voted straight blue, for all the good it will do. My district has the only Republican congressman from the state and it currently doesn't look like that will change, sigh.
I'll run out tomorrow morning before I go to bed (night shift guy, here), but in Oklahoma? My "blue vote" will probably be as effective as a squirt gun during a tornado.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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I ain't about how effective your one vote is. It's about how many single votes that can snowball. I guarantee that you aren't the only one voting blue, and your district might surprise you still.
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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As much as I hope you're right, given the recent history of the area, I'm not expecting it (granted the OTHER red district flipped blue during the midterms in 2010)
 

Pale Rider

...and Hell followed with him.
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FB friend:
If a normal politician had a comedian make racist jokes on his behalf, he would just condemn the racist remarks.

Trump won't do that. He can't condemn racist jokes for racism, because that would offend his racist base. That's why he's just pretending he never heard it and doesn't know the comedian who said it.
The fact that most voters think the economy is Trump's strong point tells you just how ignorant most voters are.

His plans for mass deportations and sweeping punitive tariffs would be devastating to the economy. His last term in office caused more debt than any other 4-year term in the history of the nation. He is only concerned with enriching himself, not enriching the nation at large. Anyone who has any sense knows this. Asking Trump to take care of the economy is like asking Jeffrey Epstein to take care of your 16-year old daughter.
It's so tiring trying to explain to half-wit Trump supporters why it is fascistic for a president to demand that all the military leaders and all the heads of government agencies be personally more loyal to him than to the law.

In Trump's mind (and the minds of his supporters) any government official who says "no" to Donald Trump is a member of the evil "deep state". In the minds of anyone who knows anything about the history of dictators and fascists, that's a sign that the rule of law still applies. It is their jobs to tell him when he can't do something, and if nobody ever says "no" to him, that's a dictatorship.
If Trump wins, don't expect Trump supporters to admit they were wrong no matter how much damage he does to American liberties or institutions. Germans wouldn't admit they were wrong about Hitler until the summer of 1945.
 

wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
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And CNN is STILL soft handing it: trumps doesn't want to send her to war, trump wants to execute her. ******* cowards.
 

CoffeeHorse

Exhausted, but still standing.
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This is so stupid. Can we go back to the "concepts of a plan" thing? That was so much better than whatever this is.

No, he was not calling for the summary execution of Liz Cheney. He was rambling about chickenhawks maybe feeling differently if they had to go to war themselves. That's not spin his campaign came up with after the event. It is the immediate context of the ramble. The very next sentence out of his mouth was:

“You know, they’re all war hawks when they’re sitting in Washington in a nice building, saying … ‘Let’s send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy,’” he said.

Good on CNN for quoting that part, I guess, but they should really note that it was the very next sentence after the one they're pretending not to understand.

20 years ago it would be a Democrat saying this (probably much more artfully), and it would be FOX having a cow saying "That's not patriotic!" What is happening?
 

Ungnome

Grand Empress of the Empire of One Square Foot.
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If Harris gets even CLOSE to winning Iowa, I'd consider it a win. We shall see in a few days.
 

Teufel

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Released the same day, so *shrug*


I could see the scenario the Selzer poll laying out being why Kamala wins driven by women, and I actually lean towards her winning because of it, but if she were kicking ass in Iowa of all places with such a dramatic swing towards the Dems wouldn't that momentum be reflected in her doing much better elsewhere? That'd mean she's running away with this thing.

Oh well, I take it all with a grain of salt especially with it only being a couple days before we find out anyway.
 

CoffeeHorse

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It would be a shock if Iowa is moving that much and only one pollster noticed, and neither campaign apparently noticed either.
 


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