What stupid thing did the GOP say or do this time? Episode 3!

Axaday

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The second clip is presented as breaking news, but the first guy should have at least known that a Fox News Poll was about to come out. I think he is probably more blustering than lying.
 
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So let me get this straight: according to Trump's goons, an enforceable code of ethics for the Supreme Court would discriminate against the GOP. Legal accountability for presidents would discriminate against the GOP. Penalties for conflicts of interest would discriminate against the GOP. Penalties for sexual assault, tax fraud, and business fraud also discriminate against the GOP.

This really says an awful lot about the GOP.
 

Rhinox

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I think this is the best place for this.
I need to apologize in advance, i wasn't able to get the picture.

It was a campaign yard sign. It had 2 words. Narcissist and underneath Socialist with a check mark by the Narcissist box.
. . . I don't think that's the flex they were going for. And at 7 in the morning when you haven't had coffee, it's a hell of a thing to try and process.
 

Axaday

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. . . I don't think that's the flex they were going for.

I think it is. They're saying "Yes, Trump has a personality problem, but Harris has a world-destroying policy problem and I can't fear his problem worse than hers".
 

wonko the sane?

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So... someone smart enough to know better still got suckered by propaganda and lies?

Nah, I think they wanted a new yard sign, heard those two words being thrown around about trump and harris, and then took the sign with the big words on it.
 

Axaday

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There is a meme probably from Russia going around Facebook that quotes Kevin Sorbo saying something like (and apparently it has been debunked that he said it or no source can be found anyway) "If your hatred for one man is greater than your love for you country, that's a real problem". It is the same mechanism as the yard sign. It separates out the problems with Trump and acknowledges one to make it seem like that is all there is and make the rest disappear. GOP strategists and foreign bots are perfectly willing to have people acknowledge that Trump is a narcissist if it can be built into the argument that him being a narcissist is a flaw that is irritating, but not harmful. It dismisses both that his narcissism has and can again cause other problems AND that he has problems that are probably unrelated to his narcissism. Like the "Kevin Sorbo" quote that asks us to acknowledge that Trump was actually good for the country, we just didn't LIKE him. Another version is "Donald Trump isn't running to be my pastor. He's running for President", meaning "Yes, he's got a serious moral problem, but it is irrelevant to the important issue".
 

wonko the sane?

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Except morality is not irrelevant to the presidency. It's literally just normalizing the concept that trump is a psychopath, and trump is currently and actively trying to normalize the word "weird" so that it's not an effective tool to use against him.

Never thought that psych 101 elective from college would be so useful.
 

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Trump is basically the president they've always wanted: an easily manipulated dipshit who can use a pen.

Grover Norquist said it himself at CPAC in 2012:
All we have to do is replace Obama. ... We are not auditioning for fearless leader. We don't need a president to tell us in what direction to go. We know what direction to go. We want the Ryan budget. ... We just need a president to sign this stuff. We don't need someone to think it up or design it. The leadership now for the modern conservative movement for the next 20 years will be coming out of the House and the Senate. [...]

Pick a Republican with enough working digits to handle a pen to become president of the United States. This is a change for Republicans: the House and Senate doing the work with the president signing bills. His job is to be captain of the team, to sign the legislation that has already been prepared.
 

Rhinox

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An excellent point in how the GOP is attempting to mitigate the severe personality issues Trump has.
I'm hoping it's not enough, but I can see how this would be persuasive to many people who distain Trump, but are seeking an excuse to vote GOP.
 

Axaday

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Except morality is not irrelevant to the presidency. It's literally just normalizing the concept that trump is a psychopath, and trump is currently and actively trying to normalize the word "weird" so that it's not an effective tool to use against him.

Never thought that psych 101 elective from college would be so useful.
That was my point. But it is effective in argument to concede what you can make sound like an important detail while you slide everything else off the table. It makes you sound like you are being honest and realistic.
 

Axaday

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So someone asked Vance the same question about childcare. “Such an important question, Charlie, and I think one of the things that we can do is make it easier for families to choose whatever model they want, right? So one of the ways that you might be able to relieve a little bit of pressure on people who are paying so much for day care is…maybe grandma and grandpa wants to help out a little bit more, or maybe there’s an aunt or uncle that wants to help out a little bit more. If that happens, you relieve some of the pressure on all the resources that we’re spending on day care.”

So...he begins with a sort of blanket approach that someone is making it hard for parents to have options and he'll do something about that. Okay. What options will he open up for them, you ask? He'll let them leave their kids at their parents' house. See? Biden doesn't let you do that. I don't even know why, but he doesn't.

My first reaction was just to quip "It's so lucky some guy from Ohio found a microphone, because dang it my kids are school age now and it is too late, but I never thought of that and I feel silly because now it seems kind of obvious."

After an hour or so with it bumping around in my brain I guess the "beauty" of the answer is that the answer to most follow-ups is "Well whose fault is that?" His answer casts a heavy shadow of "This issue isn't as big a deal as Democrats make it out to be". The people struggling with the issue probably aren't going to vote for him anyway, but if he can tap into the boomers who are thinking "Why are these people moving off to the big city?" and "Why are moms leaving their kids in a daycare when they could be taking care of them themselves?" and so on, he actually might get a slingshot effect from this question instead of crashing into a gravity well.
 

wonko the sane?

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Yeah, your attributing the same kind of "tactical genius" trait to vance that people used to give to trump. He had no answer, and floundered because he had to answer. They don't care about children or child care.

Edit: and when you consider what he's already said about "childless cat ladies" and the like... it kinda seems like he's blaming the mom for needing to work and not staying home to take care of the kids.
 
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KidTDragon

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The GOP's wrecked their brand as far as Washington state is concerned.


Side note: How fucked up is it that a group has to actively and publicly attempt to destroy democracy before they become less liked than a group whose worst offense is not believing that gods exist?
 


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