Why didn't the Jedi follow the money trail on the Grand Army of the Republic?

Axaday

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When I originally watched Episode 2, it did not appear to me that Kenobi or Yoda had heard of Sifo Dyas and it made such a cludgly Nick Soapdish for Sidious that I assumed that was what it was. It never sat well with me that the Kaminoans created an army of thousands upon thousands of clones and all their gear and equipment and 10 years of board and training facilities on a promise that the Senate would eventually pass a funding bill (and also whoever build the Acclamators and Dropships), but there seemed to be no other answer.

I educated myself about Sifo Dyas today, because I have known for quite a while that they later decided to have him be a real character. I correctly surmised that Dyas had foreseen the Clone Wars and knew they'd need an army. I incorrectly surmised that he just went and did it and maybe stole a bazillion credits from the enormous Jedi holdings that they hardly even know what to do with at this point and kept it a secret because he didn't think they would approve. Actually, side stories say he was on the council and got kicked off when he brought up this hare-brained scheme. But he did go do it anyway, representing himself as speaking for the Jedi Council. But where did he get the down payment? It matters here for two reasons. One, because I just don't see them getting started without one. Side stories say that Sidious found out about it soon and arranged to get Dyas killed and then Sidious (who had Plaguis money) and Tyranus (who had Serrano money) then paid for the Grand Army of the Republic out of their own pockets. Jango says he was hired by Tyranus, so maybe they DIDN'T get started before Sidious took over?

The other reason it matters is that when Yoda found out about the Army right when he was finding out he needed one, I guess he would have remembered that Sifo Dyas had been trying to get this done and found that apparently he did it anyway. But Yoda must be able to roughly estimate the cost of a bazillion credit army. Did it not bother him that a bazillion credits weren't missing from anywhere?
 

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Your original assumption was correct. Sifo Dyas was just a fake name. Unfortunately George Lucas changed his mind while the story was in progress and an already complicated story got messier.

It's best to ignore all fiction that treats Sifo Dyas as an actual person, and go with the assumption that the Kaminoans did this on a promise. It's not perfect, but it's simpler than what this story has become.
 

wonko the sane?

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They didn't foresee the need for an army... sidious was a senator: they CREATED the need for the army. They had probably been building towards it for so long that they probably couldn't tell the difference between prophesy and desire anymore. It was the jumping off point for creating the empire, which was the goal after all.

As for the cost: again; sidious was a senator. he'd probably spent his ENTIRE TENURE embezzling funds, and the bureaucracy and tracking of a galaxy spanning government was more than likely so ridiculous and so twisted that misplacing an apostrophe would make an entire solar systems GDP just vanish and no one would call attention to it cause there was already so many ******* zeroes involved that it wasn't malicious, it was a simple mistake.

The bigger a government gets, the bigger the territory involved, the easier it is to carve off chunks or stage outright coups without being caught, because the oversight literally cannot exist on that scale without immediately crossing over into a totalitarian police state.
 

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Yeah, S6 of Clone Wars established the Jedi as complete morons. They discover mind control chips in the clones, buy the "Oh, it's because it makes them better soldiers" lie...and then soon after find that Dooku is the one who paid for the clones and NONE OF THEM stop to think maybe he would have some secret stuff installed in those mind control chips.

---Dave
 

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Your original assumption was correct. Sifo Dyas was just a fake name. Unfortunately George Lucas changed his mind while the story was in progress and an already complicated story got messier.

It's best to ignore all fiction that treats Sifo Dyas as an actual person, and go with the assumption that the Kaminoans did this on a promise. It's not perfect, but it's simpler than what this story has become.
But Kenobi knows who Sifo Dias is in episode 2. Its not a fake name.


From my understanding this is what happened. Sifo Dias sees the need for the army, and Dooku, (who is rich beyond what you can imagine) offers up to help his friend get it started. Dooku then kills Sifo Dias, and supplies Jango Fett after he proves himself to him(Bounty Hunter PS2) to be the clone source. Now, that was done, but who paid the Kuat subsidiary to make the Acclimators, Venators, Walkers, and dropships, I don't know.
 

Covert Agent Rodimal

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The fact that the Rebublic has no army is the stupidest part of the whole thing. Your telling me that each system doesn't have a defense force? That they have no Galactic Defense Force, just in case? Possible Threats from Wild Space or the Unknown Regions after all the problems they've had in the past and nothing?! Its idiotic.
 

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The fact that the Rebublic has no army is the stupidest part of the whole thing. Your telling me that each system doesn't have a defense force? That they have no Galactic Defense Force, just in case? Possible Threats from Wild Space or the Unknown Regions after all the problems they've had in the past and nothing?! Its idiotic.


No, each system did have its own defense force, and that is all it was. Theirs and for their defense. Like you can imagine what the Kuat drive yards had protecting their system, but little systems would have a few capital ships, some escort ships, and a bunch of fighter craft. That is all they really needed to hold off Pirates, criminals, or invading neighbors.
 

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There is a now-Legends novel, Darth Plagueis, which I really liked that addressed it directly. It was a VERY complex convoluted mess but it boiled down to one wealthy Sith lord paid for the army out-of-pocket through a Jedi intermediate, so there was no money trail to follow. Of course, that was a non-canon novel and everything got more and more complicated as time went on and Star Wars grew in all directions...
 

Tm_Silverclaw

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Yeah, S6 of Clone Wars established the Jedi as complete morons.
Not only that.. I don't think there is a single time in any of the shows/books I've seen/read that didn't make the Jedi to out to be hypocrits, ******* morons, and just emotionally broken people.

Also... Don't send your ******* mages WHO TOGETHER COULD LIFT A MOUNTAIN to the literal front lines.
 

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I'm quite sure that's supposed to be the story. Qui-Gon was the last jedi who really understood what the job was about, and was considered a rogue for it. It was already a fallen institution.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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The problem with the Jedi is that, by the time of the movies, they've fossilized. They haven't had a huge threat or a problem they couldn't solve with just their reputation and a little saber-waving in so long that they're no longer capable of handling one when it does come up. Combined with their self-enforced rigidity, it's no wonder Sidious pulled off everything he did right under their noses.
 


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