Why was there a lack of fanfare for the 20th anniversary of a Beast Wars and could have this have caused Primal to win the prime fan vote?

[Undead Scottsman]

Even in classic G1 there was an undercurrent in the second half that organic+cybertronian=better that the sum of its parts

Headmasters, Targetmasters, Powermasters, Pretenders.. Even Actionmasters had the tagline of being "better, faster, more alive" than a normal transformer, so it's not like that's a new sentiment that came out of nowhere in Beast Machines. Even S3 of the cartoon had them uncovering powerful "techno-organic" monsters that the Quintessons made before they designed the Transformers.

The narrative is there if you want to do the groundwork. Beast Machines, unfortunately, do not do the groundwork instead opting for more flashy references like a big key to vector sigma/plasma energy chamber fight.

 

[CoffeeHorse]

Everyone who got to experience being a Vehicon seemed to enjoy it, while those who got to be technorganic gave mixed reviews.

 

[Soundwave2.0]

The script for Shell Game issue 1 may have had Megatron make a hole in the Bulkhead by breathing fire.
Could have they still have been able to use the shuttle to get to cybetron ?

 

[CoffeeHorse]

Well they did make it to Cybertron, so I guess so.

 

[Nevermore]

Hey Soundwave2.0, there's this fella named ooo-baby who might be very interested in your questions.

 

[MrBlud]

Even in classic G1 there was an undercurrent in the second half that organic+cybertronian=better that the sum of its parts

Headmasters, Targetmasters, Powermasters, Pretenders.. Even Actionmasters had the tagline of being "better, faster, more alive" than a normal transformer, so it's not like that's a new sentiment that came out of nowhere in Beast Machines. Even S3 of the cartoon had them uncovering powerful "techno-organic" monsters that the Quintessons made before they designed the Transformers.

The narrative is there if you want to do the groundwork. Beast Machines, unfortunately, do not do the groundwork instead opting for more flashy references like a big key to vector sigma/plasma energy chamber fight.

Yep.

Despise it though I do, it’s very clear from G1-BW-BM that Primus is slowly guiding them towards technorganic integration. Presumably so they can better interact with the wider Universe.

Beast Machines is a fairly mediocre series on its own merits. The animation is dated though not as badly as BW and there’s a lot of fetch quest stuff. It’s an *abysmal* follow up to the Beast Wars cartoon. At least the version that exists in this Universe. At its worst, it’s at least watchable. Which is a low bar the next three series after it never managed to clear…

 

[LBD "Nytetrayn"]

What do you mean Botcon was hitting the undo button?

Hm, it's been so long since I read that stuff-- what I was able to at the time, at least.

Main things I remember are that in addition to Primal's Maximals, there were like three other groups running around: Dinobots (the BM subline), Mutants, and Wreckers, I believe.

And I think the Wreckers found out the Oracle was some sort of shell program around Vector Sigma that was guiding Primal to do the organic thing to weaken the planet for a Quintesson invasion?

Someone, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Anyway, thinking more on it, "undo" probably isn't the right term... more like change the circumstances around everything?

I didn't much care for what BM did at the time, so I was on board with what they were doing, but I don't know how I feel about it in the here and now.

 

[Soundwave2.0]

It would have basically been like "The Gathering" but instead set after the final episode and with the show cast coming back to Earth to interacting with the non-show characters. Simon Furman put up the script for the unproduced first issue of Shell Game and it continued right after the events of "Ain't No Rat". So it would have acted as a sort of "Season 4" to the cartoon, and likely would have led back up to the beginning of Beast Machines had it been allowed to continue.

When it was canceled, Furman basically reworked the story and recycled it for IDW as The Gathering, only now set before the final episode and with the show cast not playing any major roles in the story, instead giving all the focus to the non-show characters.

Why not keep it the same for IDW ?

 

[Superomegaprime]

Why not keep it the same for IDW ?

Different company, different ideas

 

[Nevermore]

Why not keep it the same for IDW ?

I have a suggestion for you: Go to a convention. Talk to Simon Furman. Ask him on Twitter. Whatever.

Don't repeatedly ask us what was going on in his head. We. Do. Not. Know. We're not Simon Furman, and I doubt that anyone here is a telepath either.

 

[Agent X]

Just discovered, when a user is set to 'ignore' threads that user creates does not appear on the board. But can appear on the main forum page if it was the latest post.

Such a random piece of info to randomly put in a random thread yesssir.

 

[Soundwave2.0]

I have a suggestion for you: Go to a convention. Talk to Simon Furman. Ask him on Twitter. Whatever.

Don't repeatedly ask us what was going on in his head. We. Do. Not. Know. We're not Simon Furman, and I doubt that anyone here is a telepath either.

Mostly he has not replied to me on Twitter.

 

[Magnusblitz]

Mostly he has not replied to me on Twitter.

Why not?