Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

[Thylacine 2000]

Yes, that's exactly what Al-Jazeera feels like.

Al-Jazeera And Other Journalists In Qatar On October 7 Anniversary: It Was A Magnificent Historic Day That Restored Our Nation's Honor

On the first anniversary of the October 7, 2023 Hamas attack on Israel, in which 1,200 people were murdered and some 240 were kidnapped to Gaza, many journalists in Qatar, particularly at the Qatari Al-Jazeera outlet, posted photos and videos glorifying the attack on their X accounts. They...

www.memri.org

 

[Thylacine 2000]

You repeatedly asked for sources backing up that Iran controls Lebanon. Would it have been good enough for me to paste some YouTube nobody looking into a camera saying the words "Iran controls Lebanon"?

JackSepticeye or whoever here is quoting a non-peer-reviewed letter with no methodology or documentation that asserts the death count is more than triple what even Hamas has claimed. I'm sure people could use the same mathematic extrapolations to show that Haitian immigrants ate every dog in Ohio.

 

[Thylacine 2000]

The NYTimes fanficced up a whole new life and personality for Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, then mourned the loss of "his dream of equality between Jews and Muslims" that they made up. No author was listed on the piece. It's VERY creepy.

New York Times Shredded For Hassan Nasrallah Praise

"Reading The NY Times, one would think that Nasrallah was not a terrorist doing the bidding of theocrats in Tehran but a civil rights leader"

www.mediaite.com

 

[SHIELD Agent 47]

Not any creepier than your long-running consistent delusion that Palestinians are always lying about how bad shit is, unless a Jew says life in the occupied territories isn't that bad, in which case you think it must be the truth!

 

[Thylacine 2000]

You think my posts here are of comparable importance to what one of the world's most respected newspapers says about the leader of the fascist army that basically rules an actual country? I'm touched, I think.

 

[Teufel]

Whoops, Shield Agent forgot to say Zionist.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

You repeatedly asked for sources backing up that Iran controls Lebanon. Would it have been good enough for me to paste some YouTube nobody looking into a camera saying the words "Iran controls Lebanon"?

JackSepticeye or whoever here is quoting a non-peer-reviewed letter with no methodology or documentation that asserts the death count is more than triple what even Hamas has claimed. I'm sure people could use the same mathematic extrapolations to show that Haitian immigrants ate every dog in Ohio.

You were asked to provide sources for your own statements. I simply provided a link here for discussion.

This YouTuber had indeed provided sources, which are in the video description:

- https://www.gazahealthcareletters.org/usa-letter-oct-2-2024

- https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...b6335d66f/1727846228615/Appendix+20241002.pdf

If you have any sources to the contrary and/or to back up your own claims that you've just made in your reply above, I'm sure they would be most welcome here.

 

[Pale Rider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846240212898173260

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

Israel ambassador says Gaza, post-WWII Japan comparison "baseless"

The Israeli ambassador to Japan criticizes remarks by the co-chair of Nihon Hidankyo, a prominent organization of atomic bomb survivors and this year's Nobel Peace Prize recipient, who compared the Palestinian enclave of Gaza to Japan after World War II, calling the comparison "outrageous and...

english.kyodonews.net

 

[Thylacine 2000]

You were asked to provide sources for your own statements. I simply provided a link here for discussion.

This YouTuber had indeed provided sources, which are in the video description:

- https://www.gazahealthcareletters.org/usa-letter-oct-2-2024

- https://static1.squarespace.com/sta...b6335d66f/1727846228615/Appendix+20241002.pdf

If you have any sources to the contrary and/or to back up your own claims that you've just made in your reply above, I'm sure they would be most welcome here.

The sources to the contrary are those same links. If you read them all the way through, they simply don't document the authors' assertions. The authors are assigning guilt for specific quantifiable claims that invariably turn out to be extrapolated and assumed, not verified. One can make quite the drinking game of "it is likely," "it is very likely," "we can presume," "the true number may never be known," "this extrapolation is just a conservative estimate," etc. Seeing something bad but lacking hard data, the authors tour through headlines about how bad things are, then provide a range of mathematical extrapolations and lock into the very worst end of the range to urge the world into action. They include a table about how they extrapolate 60,000 Gazans must have already died of famine, as based on a UN report from July that said while things are terrible in Gaza and there's a risk of famine they found no evidence of it actually happening yet.

Given the history of disinformation and conspiracy theories around this topic, and around a certain group in particular, this should not be indulged. It isn't even necessary when trying to help Palestinians.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

The sources to the contrary are those same links. If you read them all the way through, they simply don't document the authors' assertions. The authors are assigning guilt for specific quantifiable claims that invariably turn out to be extrapolated and assumed, not verified. One can make quite the drinking game of "it is likely," "it is very likely," "we can presume," "the true number may never be known," "this extrapolation is just a conservative estimate," etc. Seeing something bad but lacking hard data, the authors tour through headlines about how bad things are, then provide a range of mathematical extrapolations and lock into the very worst end of the range to urge the world into action. They include a table about how they extrapolate 60,000 Gazans must have already died of famine, as based on a UN report from July that said while things are terrible in Gaza and there's a risk of famine they found no evidence of it actually happening yet.

Given the history of disinformation and conspiracy theories around this topic, and around a certain group in particular, this should not be indulged. It isn't even necessary when trying to help Palestinians.

Thank you for your option. However, perhaps you could have provided a link like the one below? It isn't about the health care letters but rather a similar report in the Lancet and for me at least, would have helped to understand your own opinions more.

Medical Journal Entry on Israel-Hamas War's Death Toll Went Viral — But Was Missing Context

Social media posts alleged the medical journal reported the death toll in Gaza had reached 186,000, or 8% of the population, since Oct. 7.

www.snopes.com

I must apologise that, at the time, I couldn't find this link when making the same keyword search to fact-check my own supplied links.

Regardless, I don't think the letters or the non-reviewed report are "unhelpful". They provide a possible idea of just how bad this conflict might be. The only unhelpful aspect is believing the statistics as undisputed facts, IMO.

 

[Teufel]

Israel ambassador says Gaza, post-WWII Japan comparison "baseless"

The Israeli ambassador to Japan criticizes remarks by the co-chair of Nihon Hidankyo, a prominent organization of atomic bomb survivors and this year's Nobel Peace Prize recipient, who compared the Palestinian enclave of Gaza to Japan after World War II, calling the comparison "outrageous and...

english.kyodonews.net

I don't think the comparison between Gaza and Imperial Japan is unfair. An unprovoked sneak attack designed to demoralize and disable an enemy was successfully launched and inflicted unprecedented damage, but failed in its goals. Indeed, the enemy rallied itself and crushed the military forces and even dismantled the government of the sneak attacker. Even the sneak attacker's allies were drawn into the war and suffered catastrophically for it. The sneak attacker pretends like it had no choice but to make the attack, didn't really commit any atrocities, and is actually the victim when you really think about it. But some of us remember history did not begin on August 6th, 1945 and it didn't begin on October 8th, 2023.

Although one of the big differences is the Imperial Japanese didn't kidnap civilians and corpses from Hawaii to parade through the streets of Tokyo for the enjoyment of a mob of barbarians, but no comparison is perfect.

 

[SHIELD Agent 47]

Well now. They did it. Apparently.

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

How much food is Israel letting into northern Gaza?

Israel has been accused of deliberately withholding food aid from people in northern Gaza.

www.bbc.com

 

[SHIELD Agent 47]

'You see us burning, you stay silent': Family’s agony over mother and sons burned to death in Gaza tent

Ahmed al-Dalou lost his wife and two sons after an Israeli strike burned their tent near Gaza’s Al-Aqsa hospital.

www.bbc.com

 

[SHIELD Agent 47]

 

[Pale Rider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848409098347548999

 

[PrimalxConvoy]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gaza-video-shows-apparent-airstrike-hitting-group-of-men-trying-to-help-wounded-boy/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/10/21/gaza-israel-strike-jabalya-video/

 

[Teufel]

Reports of explosions in Iran, details still few and far between but IDF takes credit as retaliation for Iran's missile barrage.

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Five explosions were reported heard across Tehran and the nearby city of Karaj early on Saturday morning, according to Iranian media, in what is alleged to be the beginning of an Israeli retaliatory attack on Iran.

Israeli officials confirmed to Army Radio that Israel had started striking targets across Iran.

"The IDF is currently attacking precise targets in Iran," IDF Spokesperson Daniel Hagari said in a statement. "This is in response to persisting attacks by the Iranian regime on the State of Israel."The IDF is completely prepared in attack and in defense. We are following the developments from Iran and its proxies in the region."

 

[Paladin]

i wish it actually mattered that a Presidential candidate is openly working with the leader of a foreign nation to sabotage the current presidents' efforts in the region so the former will have a greater chance at reelection.

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