The IRA in Ireland were/are (possibly American-funded) terrorists and a peace deal was brokered eventually.
Israeli-Palestinian Conflict
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The IRA in Ireland were/are (possibly American-funded) terrorists and a peace deal was brokered eventually.
And the IRA had a goal that wasn't genocide. I'm not saying you can't broker a peace deal with a terrorist organization: I'm saying you probably can't with hamas, because their entire schtick killing all the jews and destroying an entire country.
I wasn't aware Hamas, as nefarious as they might be, had a genocidal goal. It has certainly massacred entire communities, but I'm not sure if it officially amounts to genocide?
I've provided some topical/related links, but as some of them are a bit off-topic, I've put them behind spoiler tags.
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
However, I did find one article that seems to back up/repeat your claim above:
- https://archive.md/RNiIk ( Paywall circumvented link)
- https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...s-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ (original link)
As for the IRA not being genocidal, you're right:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army (part of the article states that there was no evidence of ethnic cleansing in the attacks carried out by the IRA).
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide
However, I did find one article that seems to back up/repeat your claim above:
- https://archive.md/RNiIk ( Paywall circumvented link)
- https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...s-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/ (original link)
As for the IRA not being genocidal, you're right:
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army (part of the article states that there was no evidence of ethnic cleansing in the attacks carried out by the IRA).
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One of the links you provided actually states their intent:
The hamas charter. Read the first two paragraphs, if you would.
The hamas charter. Read the first two paragraphs, if you would.
Yeah, you can’t really compare the Provos to Hamas. The former were/are essentially secular nationalists (despite the common framing of the conflict as Catholic vs Protestant, when it was really about nationalisms), the latter are clerical-fascists with overtly genocidal aims.
Well that's certainly not worrying at all.
On the one hand, you do want to stop propoganda... on the other, in the hands of a right-wing government leaning towards heavy authoritarianism, I don't know Id trust them to enforce it properly. Especially since "Nation's morale" could easily be applied to people protesting for any reason against the government. Plus if they start pulling the equivalent of Patriot Act extensions on this...
On the one hand, you do want to stop propoganda... on the other, in the hands of a right-wing government leaning towards heavy authoritarianism, I don't know Id trust them to enforce it properly. Especially since "Nation's morale" could easily be applied to people protesting for any reason against the government. Plus if they start pulling the equivalent of Patriot Act extensions on this...
When the IRA blew up a pub and killed 12 civilians, they apologized and said they would change their tactics afterwards.
en.wikipedia.org
I am not sugarcoating the Troubles, but in that conflict you truly do not see the atavistic, fang-toothed celebration of rape, infanticide, and genocide that is how Hamas speaks about Jews.
(Also note that part of the way the Troubles ended was by building giant walls to segregate the populations, which would totally have been called "apartheid" if Jews had been involved)
en.wikipedia.org
La Mon restaurant bombing - Wikipedia
I am not sugarcoating the Troubles, but in that conflict you truly do not see the atavistic, fang-toothed celebration of rape, infanticide, and genocide that is how Hamas speaks about Jews.
(Also note that part of the way the Troubles ended was by building giant walls to segregate the populations, which would totally have been called "apartheid" if Jews had been involved)
Peace lines - Wikipedia
I'm honestly surprised the palestinian government isn't already doing this...
*starts reading the article*
SHLOMO Kharhi... oh... oooohhhh... yeah, this is very not good. I can't see this being abused at all.
*starts reading the article*
SHLOMO Kharhi... oh... oooohhhh... yeah, this is very not good. I can't see this being abused at all.
Israeli Ambassador To U.K. Says There's 'No Humanitarian Crisis' In Gaza
The Palestinian territory is currently under siege.
Case in point, this interview from a senior Hamas figure on Russian TV shortly after the massacres.
Aside from the scale of the murders and kidnappings, Hamas is openly bragging they only sort of played nice as part of a years long plan to orchestrate a surprise attack to slaughter Israelis. There can never be a ceasefire or peace with them.
I'm skeptical the IDF can actually destroy Hamas. They're not going to line up in formation to get wiped out and have no problem melting into the general populace for a guerilla war. Trying to occupy Gaza again is going to be an urban bloodbath for everyone, Hamas has had years to prepare and is going to do everything it can to maximize civilian casualties for peak international outrage and pressure against Israel. But the IDF can destroy their factories, cave in their tunnels, and seriously hamper their ability to fire thousands of indiscriminate rockets. Occupying Gaza is really jivey option which is why Israel ripped up its settlements and got out years ago, but it's the only one Hamas left them with now.
Speaking personally, I still have very strong memories of the Troubles, even though I’ve always lived in England. Something related to the conflict would always be on the UK-wide evening news. We had bomb drills at secondary school to prepare if the IRA ever planted explosives in or near our school (they had previously attempted to bomb the town). We were told that the school would’ve had a warning by phone giving time to evacuate were a bombing to ever occur. So not exactly a surprise attack, had that plan been followed through.When the IRA blew up a pub and killed 12 civilians, they apologized and said they would change their tactics afterwards.
La Mon restaurant bombing - Wikipedia
I am not sugarcoating the Troubles, but in that conflict you truly do not see the atavistic, fang-toothed celebration of rape, infanticide, and genocide that is how Hamas speaks about Jews.
(Also note that part of the way the Troubles ended was by building giant walls to segregate the populations, which would totally have been called "apartheid" if Jews had been involved)
Peace lines - Wikipedia
The IDF absolutely can root out hamas.
But the act of doing it will simply create the conditions for another, even worse organization to rise up, to continue to abuse and murder the palestinians and israelis alike. The only way out of this (in which the genocide card is off the table for both sides for hopefully a long time.) is to CAPTURE as much of the hamas leadership as possible, overtake gaza as a politcal entity, and then restore the palestinian economy, standard of living, and setting a hard deadline to do this under while helping them build a new, long term government they build themselves. To literally sweep in, rebuild and rebuild better than they had, handing them the ******* keys, and walking away. After all, the highest act of charity in the jewish faith is an act that leads to self sufficiency for the receiver.
They need to show that partnership, cooperation will be a better outcome for everyone... but there is still the hurdle of the brainwashed, murdering, psychopaths hiding in the population.
But the act of doing it will simply create the conditions for another, even worse organization to rise up, to continue to abuse and murder the palestinians and israelis alike. The only way out of this (in which the genocide card is off the table for both sides for hopefully a long time.) is to CAPTURE as much of the hamas leadership as possible, overtake gaza as a politcal entity, and then restore the palestinian economy, standard of living, and setting a hard deadline to do this under while helping them build a new, long term government they build themselves. To literally sweep in, rebuild and rebuild better than they had, handing them the ******* keys, and walking away. After all, the highest act of charity in the jewish faith is an act that leads to self sufficiency for the receiver.
They need to show that partnership, cooperation will be a better outcome for everyone... but there is still the hurdle of the brainwashed, murdering, psychopaths hiding in the population.
U.S. Prepares Troops for Potential Deployment to Support Israel
The U.S. military has placed roughly 2,000 personnel and a range of units on a heightened state of readiness, "which increases DoD's ability to respond quickly to the evolving security environment in the Middle East," the Department of Defense said Tuesday. No decision to deploy the forces to suppor
And here we go.
Calm your hooves coffee, canada does stuff like this all the time. Those troops won't get close enough to the fighting that, should one of them get hurt or die, there would even be a question of intent.
They will be field medics, nurses, mechanics, cooks and trainers. They'll be building hospital tents, barracks, and camps for the displaced. They'll be dealing with administrative tasks, and running papers. They won't touch their weapons outside of routine training.
Because the US knows that if they openly send in troops, it's antagonizing all the hostile powers in the region and demanding they escalate, and the hostile powers know that if they kill even ONE us soldier on purpose: it's game ******* over. It'll be afghanistan all over again, and they don't want the US cutting off their business.
They will be field medics, nurses, mechanics, cooks and trainers. They'll be building hospital tents, barracks, and camps for the displaced. They'll be dealing with administrative tasks, and running papers. They won't touch their weapons outside of routine training.
Because the US knows that if they openly send in troops, it's antagonizing all the hostile powers in the region and demanding they escalate, and the hostile powers know that if they kill even ONE us soldier on purpose: it's game ******* over. It'll be afghanistan all over again, and they don't want the US cutting off their business.
I did, but the wiki link gave (conflicting?) info regarding their charters I think. They're seems to be changed made to the charters and/or division amongst the ranks as to what their aims are?
The IRA killed about 1,700 people during their time. I understand that's small-fry compared to what Hamas has done in the space of a few days, but it wasn't just a pub or two.When the IRA blew up a pub and killed 12 civilians, they apologized and said they would change their tactics afterwards.
La Mon restaurant bombing - Wikipedia
I am not sugarcoating the Troubles, but in that conflict you truly do not see the atavistic, fang-toothed celebration of rape, infanticide, and genocide that is how Hamas speaks about Jews.
(Also note that part of the way the Troubles ended was by building giant walls to segregate the populations, which would totally have been called "apartheid" if Jews had been involved)
Peace lines - Wikipedia
So do we. We always start with """advisors""".
Yep, even in a country like the US you are probably going to have around 30% of the population be deplorable assholes that have zero compunction about using violence to achieve political ends.
And that’s keeping in mind the day-to-day life here is pretty much the furthest thing away from what the people experience in Gaza.
Improving the life of the Palestinians is the only long term way to curb further violence but that’s going to run into *severe* pushback both from Hamas and a fair number of Israelites rightfully incensed by the latest attack.
If the whole regiment wants to play at arm chair admirals, let them. So long as they aren't shooting, or getting shot at. The US has forward operating bases all over the world, this is literally what you guys have done since world war 2.
Well, that and hug with south america.