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Hamas' revisions to the charter basically crossed out "kill all the Jews" and replaced it with "we're not anti-Semitic, we're anti-Zionist." At the time some thought it was little more than a PR move for Western consumption to try and appear more pragmatic and less radical. Recent events suggest... duh?
 
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Teufel said:
Hamas' revisions to the charter basically crossed out "kill all the Jews" and replaced it with "we're not anti-Semitic, we're anti-Zionist." At the time some thought it was little more than a PR move for Western consumption to try and appear more pragmatic and less radical. Recent events suggest... duh?
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In the video link I posted somewhere above, the YouTuber suggested that Hamas was under pressure from other (Islamic/terrorist) groups to step up and take action, rather than, in their eyes, be complicit with/subservient to Israel. I'm not sure if that's true?
 
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Anti-Semitism

I do enjoy it when nazi sympathizers out themselves. Funny thing is, that was only his second post. Which is one more than I was expecting.
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GWU professor Lara Sheehi, who we discussed here as a case of "is she / isn't she antisemitic?", has put an end to any doubt.

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'How Dare You Slander the Names of Our Martyrs': Inside a George Washington Professor's Pro-Hamas Tirade

In the days following Hamas's slaughter of innocent Israelis, a George Washington University professor under federal investigation for the mistreatment of Jewish students shared posts on her private Instagram account that describe Hamas terrorists as "martyrs" and endorse their "armed resistance."
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Somehow I never encountered this crap when I was in college. I guess I was lucky.
 
Teufel

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Academia having a normal one.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714128021936918743

Professor explains how he found the Hamas attacks exhilarating.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1713687680280641596

Stanford instructor singled out Jewish students to lecture and use them as props about the conflict.

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An instructor at Stanford University has been suspended for what the president and provost called “identity-based targeting” of students in connection with the Israel-Gaza war.

Rabbi Dov Greenberg, director of the Chabad Stanford Jewish Center, said he was told by three students who were in the room that the instructor asked Jewish and Israeli students to identify themselves during a session for a required undergraduate course called “Civil, Liberal and Global Education.”

The teacher told the Jewish students to take their belongings, stand in a corner, and said, “This is what Israel does to the Palestinians,” Greenberg said, citing the student accounts. The instructor then asked, “How many people died in the Holocaust?” When a student answered, “Six million,” the lecturer said, “Colonizers killed more than 6 million. Israel is a colonizer.”
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A Chicago-area landlord was arrested and charged with murder and hate crimes after authorities said he stabbed and killed a 6-year-old boy and seriously wounded his mother, allegedly because the tenants are Muslim.

Joseph M. Czuba, 71, was charged with first-degree murder, attempted first-degree murder, two counts of a hate crime and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, the Will County, Illinois, Sheriff’s Office said in a news release. The US Justice Department has also opened a federal hate crime investigation into the attack, US Attorney General Merrick Garland announced Sunday.

The sheriff’s office said Czuba did not make a statement to detectives but investigators determined the victims were “targeted by the suspect due to them being Muslim and the on-going Middle Eastern conflict involving Hamas and the Israelis.”
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The stupid goes both ways, unfortunately..... What I wonder is how the rather large group who are both antisemitic and anti-Muslim decide which side to support.
 
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The stupid goes both ways, unfortunately..... What I wonder is how the rather large group who are both antisemitic and anti-Muslim decide which side to support.
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This is why I'm a bit more surprised that the US right has stayed consistent this time around, seeing as the "frogboy" wing, while keen on a clash of civilizations, are at best indifferent to Israel and at worst convinced the latter is engineering most of the things they don't like.
 
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There could be footage of Yahya Sinwar personally firing a rocket that hit the hospital and him urinating on the ashes and Israel would still be blamed. Whatever the truth turns out to be, it's almost irrelevant in the sense there's already rioting, Arab leaders pulling out of summits, questions about Biden's trip, etc. Pushing unverified claims by Hamas got the job done and nothing's going to change anyone's mind.

I'm waiting to see more information. I definitely don't trust Hamas, but sometimes the swift IDF denials don't hold up.
 
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I'm not saying it was a false flag... but I am saying I don't think the IDF as lead by BiBi is above a false flag. What's striking to me is that as much as this is a shooting war, it's also very much a social media war, and both sides seemed to have twigged onto that something fierce. There's a definitive race to see WHOSE disinformation is more widely accepted.
 
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So we have on-the-scene daylight footage of the hospital and...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1714571559954731398

The hospital's intact and the damage seems mostly limited to some burnt out cars in the parking lot and broken windows. An Israeli bomb would've caused significantly more damage and left a noticeable crater, this is obviously a misfired rocket or the shrapnel from one. Absolutely no way 500 people died as claimed. Another "Jeningrad" (If you know, you know)

The media and many world governments happily ran with straight up Hamas blood libel before waiting for any evidence.

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I'm not saying it was a false flag... but I am saying I don't think the IDF as lead by BiBi is above a false flag. What's striking to me is that as much as this is a shooting war, it's also very much a social media war, and both sides seemed to have twigged onto that something fierce. There's a definitive race to see WHOSE disinformation is more widely accepted.
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Israel is almost comically inept when it comes to propaganda. Take this incident. They've released alleged phone calls of terrorists, radar flight paths of rockets, etc and at the end of the day... the hospital wasn't even blown up? No real structural damage? They're doing all this elaborate stuff no normal person can make heads or tails of and won't convince a single soul, but they couldn't just get some drone footage or a Mossad guy get a photo and show the hospital's intact?
 
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Israel being this bad at the propaganda game is another sign that they were just as surprised as the rest of us when a hospital allegedly blew up.
 
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The media used to call them terrorists, but that wasn't PC or "neutral" enough so they became militants. Now, they are... "armed groups." :rolleyes:

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American officials say they have multiple strands of intelligence — including infrared satellite data — indicating that the deadly blast at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday was caused by an armed Palestinian group.
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PrimalxConvoy

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Teufel said:
The media used to call them terrorists, but that wasn't PC or "neutral" enough so they became militants. Now, they are... "armed groups." :rolleyes:

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Hamas isn't universally recognised as a terrorist group. I don't think the UN officially sees them as such, so arguably, media groups don't universally refer to them as such.

The BBC stated that, when quoting others referring to Hamas as terrorists, they include the term but when referring to them without quotes, they don't in order to be impartial.
 
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Thylacine 2000 said:

BBC slammed for not calling Hamas terrorists amid Brussels attack | World | News | Express.co.uk

The BBC tonight reported 'two Swedes killed in terror attack' hours after an incident in the Belgian capital
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1/ The Express is a right-wing rag:

- https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-express/

2/ I've already stated that the BBC has assumed to be impartial and the terminology used reflected this. The BBC's standards regarding their use of language can be seen here:

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Why BBC doesn't call Hamas militants 'terrorists' - John Simpson

It's simply not the BBC's job to tell people who to support and who to condemn, writes the BBC's World Affairs editor.
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BBC defends policy not to call Hamas 'terrorists' after criticism

UK Defence Secretary Grant Shapps says the BBC's position is "verging on disgraceful".
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"...A spokesman added later: "We are impartial... it's not about being neutral, it's about being able to report in the UK, in Gaza, in the Middle East, whereas if the BBC is seen to be an arm of the UK government, that makes our journalism very difficult and it impacts the way it's perceived and trusted."
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BBC chief grilled by Conservative MPs over Israel-Gaza coverage

Tim Davie was questioned by backbench Conservative MPs over the BBC's coverage of the Gaza conflict and migration.
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Hamas isn't recognised by several countries, including the UN as a terrorist group, as far as I'm aware, which is partially why the BBC has continued their same level of impartiality, seemingly even during WW2.
 
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