Nobody has the intention to invade Ukraine

wonko the sane?

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Until the russian population rises and revolts against putin en masse... you kinda need to treat them that way... Cause you honestly can't give the benefit of the doubt to each and every individual, especially when some of them have no problems killing civilians and looting their homes.
 

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The problem is, he's also extending the same views to Russian expats who explicitly disapprove of Putin and the war and are openly expressing their support of Ukraine.
 
wonko the sane?

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If their expats, are they even still russian?

Obviously there is a limit: if they got out years ago and are openly against the horrors happening in ukraine, leave them alone. He's just looking to hate someone right now, there's a lot of that.
 
Ungnome

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Just wish they could be removed from the security council. They SHOULD have been removed when the Soviet Union collapsed, but the charter wasn't set up to handle that sort of situation so they let the Russian Federation have the old USSR seat being that they were the largest chunk carved out of the former country.
 

Nevermore

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Perhaps not entirely unsurprising, there is a faction in this war called the "Freedom of Russia" Legion, which primarily consists of Russian defectors and POVs who have either become disillusioned or witnessed the atrocities committed by their own people firsthand and are now fighting alongside the Ukrainians, not just to help protect their country but with the long-term goal of overtrhrowing Putin's regime.
 
wonko the sane?

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More power to them, but unless they can get someone into power with the intention of reforming the russian government; all they will do is put another dictator into power.
 
wonko the sane?

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There are plenty of good russians. But the trick is: they aren't in the russian army.
 

Nevermore

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The problem also is that a lot of the good Russians have left Russia, if nothing else then once Putin started imposing his increasingly draconic laws on his population. That means those who remained behind are becoming increasingly terrible.

Also: This is increasingly becoming the adopted flag of the anti-war movement, mostly among Russian dissidents.
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The idea is that this flag is completely devoid of the color red, which is associated with war and blodshed, instead replacing it with the more peaceful color white (which is also meant to symbolize remorse), while the shade of blue is lighter than that used in the current official Russian flag, which is meant to symbolize truth and justice.


Also also: One of the many reasons why Russia's invasion of Ukraine is affecting so many people on a personal level is because the modern internet age also means that many of us are familiar with individuals from Ukraine, whether we previously were aware of the fact or not.

Take, for example, Ukrainian band Sershen & Zarítskaya, whose regular performances and music videos featured on Youtube were interrupted by their home country being invaded. Singer Dariaa Zaritskaya has posted about her having to flee her country on International Women's Day.

I've seen stories about Ukrainian influencers abruptly shifting their schedule from beauty and shopping to having their established audiences witness a real war affecting people they know. This is what makes this war so different. This one affects people whom many people in other countries were familiar with. It's essentially like the characters on all your favorite TV shows suddenly being snapped out of existence by Thanos.

You might call this hypocrisy, you might criticize that this war is getting coverage which other wars prevously didn't get because they didn't affect people any of us cared about, but that's not a reason not be cynical about it and insist that we shouldn't care about this war either since we didn't care about any of the others, which is bullshit. If anything, this war is interrupting enough of a lot of people's daily routines so they simply cannot go on with their lives as of nothing had happened. And that's one of the things that are definitely helping Ukraine. The world is watching. A lot of people are paying attention. And a lot of people are pissed off enough at Putin that he can't simply shrug it off eventually and go back to business as usual once he has obliterated "liberated" Ukraine.
 
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wonko the sane? said:
There are plenty of good russians. But the trick is: they aren't in the russian army.
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The people who get conscripted are either ethnic minorities or the poorest Russians from the most underdeveloped places. Anyone with resources or intelligence is going to dodge the draft or bribe their way out. This is probably why there's so much support for the war and why Putin can continue the war indefinitely, the average Russian on the street aren't losing their kids in this war.
 
Plutoniumboss

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Goiânia was a tragedy of ignorance set in motion by some hapless guys who were just trying to flip some scrap that shouldn't have been where it was. These shmucks were in CHERNOBYL and decided to pocket random objects from a lab. They knew exactly where they were and still decided to loot the place.
 
Wheelimus

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I present - Russia defaults on it's debts. Sanctions are working. We need more because why not, Putin deserves to suffer, but they're working.

www.cnn.com

Russia has defaulted on its foreign debt, says S&P

Russia has defaulted on its foreign debt because it offered bondholders payments in rubles, not dollars, credit ratings agency S&P has said.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
Dekafox

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Don't celebrate yet. Per the CNN article:

According to S&P, a selective default is declared when an entity has defaulted on a specific obligation but not its entire debt.
Moscow has a grace period of 30 days from April 4 to make the payments of capital and interest, but S&P said it does not expect it will convert them into dollars given Western sanctions that undermine its "willingness and technical abilities to honor the terms and conditions" of its obligations.
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And from a Reuters article:

The bonds in question were issued under English law, which allows a borrower to defend itself by saying that an external force made it impossible to honour obligations, so the court may postpone the payment, said Mitu Gulati, professor of law at the University of Virginia.


"So I think Russia is going to argue this but ... this is a war ... caused by Russia," said Gulati, also an expert on debt restructuring, adding: "This is not a completely implausible legal argument."
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www.reuters.com

Russia threatens legal action if forced into sovereign debt default

Russia will take legal action if the West tries to force it to default on its sovereign debt, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov told the pro-Kremlin Izvestia newspaper on Monday, sharpening Moscow's tone in its financial wrestle with the West.
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