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Sabrblade

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Stuff like this is why I want to see a G1 rewrite that's actually a G1 rewrite and not something TF07 inspired but blockier. So many pieces of a story are there. It's a clumsy, repetitive, self-contradictory mess of a story, and it's so often only a mild rewrite away from totally working.
Isn't Skybound doing something like this?
 

LordGigaIce

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Isn't Skybound doing something like this?
Yes and it's awesome.

One reason I love Skybound's take is because despite being the most G1 G1's been since G1... it's refreshing. For that reason!

Everyone else tries to do G1 But Different. By just being so shamelessly G1 though, Skybound comes off as refreshing. Like... it's been so long since we had the "everyone's been offline onboard the Ark for a while" setup, that it becomes fun to see again.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Maybe they should have used Rodimus as an excuse to teach lessons and attach cheesy PSAs to the end of each episode. Have him grow into a leader in a way that benefits the audience of children watching at home and meme-ing video editors 20 years later.

"Today, I learned that pork chop sandwiches are a delicious human delicacy, but they're not worth dying in a fire for."

"You needed the Matrix to teach you that?"

"No...

...

...yes."

I get the feeling that, when the concept of the Thirteenth Prime being the original incarnation of an established Matrix bearer was thought up, that it originally was supposed to be Rodimus who would be the reincarnated Thirteenth Prime (while Optimus would instead have been like the second coming of Prima, the first Matrix bearer), but then they got cold feet and backed out of that at the last second to make the Thirteenth be Optimus instead, for fear of repeating the Rodimus hate from the 80s.
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Exatron

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You. Yes, you! You need to go back in time to 2007~2010 and convince Hasbro to go with this take for the Thirteenth Prime, because if we absolutely have to be stuck with the Thirteenth being some super special dude fated to be the best there ever was, then this is the most brilliantly elegant way to go about it.

Otherwise, convince them to just make him be the Last Autobot from Marvel G1 instead of anyone super-duper extra special.
Sorry. No matter how hard I've tried, I haven't been able to get Gigawatt to get up 88mph under his own power. Apparently just driving him around in my car doesn't work. And even if I did manage it... I think it would be just a wee bit cramped in there. :LOL:
 

lastmaximal

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Maybe they should have used Rodimus as an excuse to teach lessons and attach cheesy PSAs to the end of each episode. Have him grow into a leader in a way that benefits the audience of children watching at home and meme-ing video editors 20 years later.

"Today, I learned that pork chop sandwiches are a delicious human delicacy, but they're not worth dying in a fire for."

"You needed the Matrix to teach you that?"

"No...

...

...yes."

Would love that for Wheelie, or Grimlock since they dumbed him down big in s3.

Imagine a series called "Survival Lessons With Wheelie" or "Grimlock, No!"

Or a bunch of rhyming PSA shorts.
"Before crossing, look both ways,
Or be reduced to crimson paste!"
 
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lastmaximal

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As for why I feel like The Thirteenth was originally going to be the preincarnation of Rodimus while Optimus was going to be akin to Prima, well... Let's just say I've read some things that cannot be publicly disclosed at this time (PMs on the other hand...)
Bruh, you could've just said that to begin with. Would have at least saved us a speculation-off, anyway.
Ah, I miss Mairghread Scott on Transformers.

Stuff like this is why I want to see a G1 rewrite that's actually a G1 rewrite and not something TF07 inspired but blockier. So many pieces of a story are there. It's a clumsy, repetitive, self-contradictory mess of a story, and it's so often only a mild rewrite away from totally working.
yeah but check out my g1 reboot bro it's totally mature and modern, like they're all cursing and shooting robot sized bullets at each other, none of that kidvid 80s laser crap

and like starscream steps on a human and he's all like eww organic blood and oh megatron is played by bryan cranston and he has a human avatar called walther white ehh, ehh, because breaking bad, and he uses his gun mode to threaten drug dealers because this ain't no kiddy show yeah

also hot rod dies trying to save prime and a giant butt falls on him and prime's like i had it handled, dumbass, and everyone laughs
 

Donocropolis

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Stuff like this is why I want to see a G1 rewrite that's actually a G1 rewrite and not something TF07 inspired but blockier. So many pieces of a story are there. It's a clumsy, repetitive, self-contradictory mess of a story, and it's so often only a mild rewrite away from totally working.

Very much this. I've been recently slooooowly watching through Season 3 (I have no memory of watching anything post-movie as a child, so a lot of this is basically new to me) and there are a lot of really interesting ideas there that I would love to see handled.....more competently. I love the "Next Generation" setting where human kind has integrated Cybertronian technology into its own and within 1 generation have moved from real-life 80's society into a spacefaring species, meeting all sorts of new life forms and cultures, not just Cybertronian. That idea alone is ripe with possibilities.

Also like the bit we see of Octane as the Decepticon outcast, living his own life piloting a small cargo ship trying to stay clear of the war. You could do a whole series that's basically "Firefly, but former Decepticons."

Would love that for Wheelie, or Grimlock since they dumbed him down big in s3.

Imagine a series called "Survival Lessons With Wheelie" or "Grimlock, No!"

Or a bunch of rhyming PSA shorts.
"Before crossing, look both ways,
Or be reduced to crimson paste!"

More or less Goofus and Galant, with Grimlock playing the part of Goofus.
 

Tuxedo Prime

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Isn't Skybound doing something like this?
And before that, there was Dreamwave.

Yeah, as hinted at above, Sarracini and Ciencin were doing G2-styled "We is Hardcore Now!" mechanical and organic carnage (though I did have a soft spot for Megatron just laughing, broken and leaking as he was, when General Creepy McSinister decided to just launch a nuke at San Francisco to stop the climatic battle -- "I may lose the fight, but I won the argument" being the subtext Sunbow didn't always have time for).

But some rough beginnings (and Sarracini would find his ruminations on free will having a better if temporary home in Fate of the Blade), the main writing team gave us a very Sunbow-reverent storyline, what with Cliffjumper distrusting Mirage and Omega Supreme speaking in two-word declarative sentences and using a grayscale font for Shrapnel's speech quirk and Bruticus starting his dialogue with "UUUURRRRRRH!"


I honestly think that if the company hadn't folded we might have seen a "World War Bruticus" comic arc, possibly leading to Combiner Wars a decade early.

But there were other things going on besides cartoon homages. The Fallen originated in this era, there were attempts to synthesize Beast Machines Vector Sigma with what we had seen in the actual historical datatrax, Sunbow-Shockwave was swapped with Marvel Shockwave ("Logic dictates that I am badass") some time before the main story, and of course Furman pops in to invoke Primus, add depth to Grimlock, and give the Wreckers all the dirty jobs.

...they really were trying to be Aligned before Aligned was a thing.

Damnit, Pat Lee, you had a license to print money but you had to use it pimping your ride instead of paying your talent!
 

Sabrblade

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...Ciencin only wrote a novel. He had nothing to do with the Dreamwave comics proper.
 

CoffeeHorse

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Very much this. I've been recently slooooowly watching through Season 3 (I have no memory of watching anything post-movie as a child, so a lot of this is basically new to me) and there are a lot of really interesting ideas there that I would love to see handled.....more competently. I love the "Next Generation" setting where human kind has integrated Cybertronian technology into its own and within 1 generation have moved from real-life 80's society into a spacefaring species, meeting all sorts of new life forms and cultures, not just Cybertronian. That idea alone is ripe with possibilities.

There's so much potential, and the closest we've ever gotten to that again was Energon. Which... let us down. 20 years ago.

It's not that I'd prefer a G1 retread over a new thing. It's that I've lost faith in a new thing sticking around long enough to reach that scope.

Also like the bit we see of Octane as the Decepticon outcast, living his own life piloting a small cargo ship trying to stay clear of the war. You could do a whole series that's basically "Firefly, but former Decepticons."

I'd also give Blitwing the rest of his character arc back. That's two Decepticons to work with right there.
 

Sabrblade

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Octane's role in "Starscream's Ghost" was supposed to be Blitzwing, Blitzwing's role in "FFOD" was supposed to be Shockwave... Hasbro's toy-shilling mandates really held back the storytelling potential in these cases.
 

Donocropolis

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I'd also give Blitwing the rest of his character arc back. That's two Decepticons to work with right there.

Maybe toss in Thundercracker, who's profile made him out to not really be a believer in the Decepticon cause (even if it didn't come up in the cartoon). I'm sure there's some others, too.
 

lastmaximal

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Thundercracker was ... Scourge? ... by this point I think.

But the Blitzwing thing. Yeah, definitely. Keep the Octane and Trpticon pairing, but let Blitzwing have his Decepticon exile arc. Let him be known for his enemies.
 

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I remember reading The Hobbit not too long after watching TFTM in the 80s, and my take on Rodimus' worthiness was that the Matrix was basically the One Ring; it has a will of its own, and it chose to leave Optimus (how many times has he fought Megatron? And this is the first time he's been beaten?) and attach itself to Hot Rod, possibly because he was so different --something the Matrix had not yet encountered.

That's why it wouldn't respond to Magnus, because he was just like Optimus. There would've been no point.

So I guess my rewrite of FFoD would be to play up the lineage of Primes, giving us enough to see how each of them had a wildly different personality, and demonstrating that Optimus, as much as we loved him, was just the latest link in the chain.

After that, maybe even keep Optimus around as a ghostly advisor that only Rodimus could see/hear (like Obi-Wan was for Luke), gradually fading away as Rodimus grows into his own.
 

CoffeeHorse

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Octane's role in "Starscream's Ghost" was supposed to be Blitzwing, Blitzwing's role in "FFOD" was supposed to be Shockwave... Hasbro's toy-shilling mandates really held back the storytelling potential in these cases.

I'm torn on how I'd handle FFOD in a remake. On general principle I'd want to restore the original intent wherever possible, which would mean giving Shockwave his role back. But the switch from Shockwave to Blitzwing seems to have been done fairly early, because Octane's role in Starscream's Ghost was quite thoroughly written for Blitzwing, and it really should be the same character in both cases. So I'd want to make an exception to principle and give both roles to Blitzwing. Sorry Shockwave.
 

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But some rough beginnings (and Sarracini would find his ruminations on free will having a better if temporary home in Fate of the Blade), the main writing team gave us a very Sunbow-reverent storyline, what with Cliffjumper distrusting Mirage and Omega Supreme speaking in two-word declarative sentences and using a grayscale font for Shrapnel's speech quirk and Bruticus starting his dialogue with "UUUURRRRRRH!"
Can I call any time someone makes Waspinator talk like the Beast Wars cartoon "Mainframe-reverent"?
 


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