Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

G.B.Blackrock

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Finally, on the election itself, here's where i'm sure I'm going to piss a lot of people off. Kamala never should have been the candidate. It was proven in 2016 that America will vote for the least capable male over the most qualified female. While Clinton had other baggage, so did Biden. But people (especially other women) were willing to vote for Biden. They weren't for Kamala. I'm as progressive as the next person. I believe women to be just as capable as any man, especially that man. But the nation, by and large, isn't.

If the democrats want to win, then we have to put aside nicety. We have to campaign like we've already lost and have nothing to lose. We need a firebrand who will call out this behavior and bullshit instead of giving pithy statements and nonanswers. hug, run Lewis Black. That's the kind of energy needed.
I agreed with the first part of your post, but disagree with these parts. I'm convinced that Kamala's being a woman, despite the very real sexism still present in this country, wasn't much of a factor against her. She lost far more due to the anti-incumbent feelings sweeping the nation (and, frankly, the world). I don't even think another Democrat could have won, because they'd still be tied to Biden's perceived failings (although I will concede that Kamala Harris suffered this more than others might have), but certainly once Biden made the decision to run again (and thus only dropped out late), there was nothing more anyone could have done than what Kamala Harris was able to do.

There isn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that Kamala Harris got more votes than Biden would have done, had he stayed in.

And you'll never, ever, get me to sign on to being rotten to people, even if they're being rotten to you. We simply must be better than that.
 

Rhinox

too old for this
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I agree Kamala performed better than Joe would have. But, and I hate to be this way, but I do believe that her being a woman played a role. We've just been shown that women will vote for a ******* rapist over another woman. The biggest detractor of any woman is another woman. This isn't the first time I've seen this kind of thing and it always astonishes me. I do not understand it, frankly.

As far as the other, I'm over being nice. I'm tired, man. I'm tired of trying to be civil in the face of naked aggression. I'm tired of trying to be nice when the other side literally flies flags that say "hug your feelings". I am tired of the double standard and no one having the stones to call bullshit. Stop letting them get away with it. Stop letting them gaslight. Stop letting them call you names and being a dick and then feeling sorry for them when they get offended that someone hurt their feelings. It is time to be mean. Not rotten. There is a difference. Tell them they're full of jive to their face and call them on it. Not maliciously, but factually. Use the truth and beat them over the head with it. Stop taking their bullshit for an answer.
 

Pocket

jumbled pile of person
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I for one have never been interested in being nice to Trumptards, but I highly doubt going around picking fights with them would have made Trump lose either. Unless you have a plan to wipe them out, the only worthwhile thing to do is try to avoid them as much as possible.
 


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