Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[Ungnome]

Paladin, TRUMP DID NOT GET A MAJORITY OF THE VOTE. He got close, but did not get a majority. On top of that a GOOD chunk of those who voted for him have no clue what is in Project 2025, all they heard was 'Trump make economy good, Kamala make economy bad'.

 

[Steevy Maximus]

Trump picks Project 2025 co-author Russell Vought to lead budget office

Trump named Vought, who played a central role in designing Project 2025, to head up the Office of Management and Budget in his second term.

www.nbcnews.com

EVERYTHING the Project 2025 alerts warned us about is going to happen, and the majority of Americans want it to.

Most Americans have almost no clue what Project 2025 even means. It has been demonstrated for YEARS that, when presented with policy (without partisan information), MOST Americans actually skew towards Democrat positions.

But Republicans are able to sell their spin better, and it’s usually some variation of ”You’ll have more money under Republicans”

 

[Ungnome]

You'd think Americans would wake up to their tactics by now. Trickle down economics has only benefited the rich and it's been like 40 years since Regan....

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Unfortunately, the average American is very stupid, very ignorant, or both. And if that's the average, imagine how the lower half must be.

 

[Ungnome]

I know that, doesn't mean it doesn't hurt when I am reminded about that(and I AM reminded about that daily due to my job).

 

[Axaday]

Is RFK Jr a DNC sleeper agent? He says he will work to get fluoride taken out of drinking water because it is lowering IQ. No federal body does anything other than advise on this issue, so it isn't likely that he will have any effect, but if he does and IQ starts going up, won't that damage the GOP?

 

[Pocket]

I never understood the fluoride thing. Is it just left behind from the process they use to disinfect it, or are they actually trying to claim that the two seconds it spends flowing through your mouth as you drink it is an effective substitute for brushing your teeth?

 

[wonko the sane?]

It, quite effectively, fights tooth decay. It's a dirt cheap option in places that have lackluster oral hygiene to raise overall population health. It's marginal in places (one would assume like the first world.) but it also has no draw backs. It doesn't hurt, doesn't do anything long term if you already have decent hygiene, and it's (again.) dirt cheap. Doesn't replace brushing your teeth, but it helps overall and long term physical and oral health.

And I know all this because montreal is once again fighting to stop adding it to the local water supply. The city with the most lead in the pipes in north america is fighting to get the flouride out of the water.

 

[Steevy Maximus]

Yeah, the lead in the aging North American water infrastructure is probably a FAR greater health concern than whatever adverse effects Flouride might impart.

 

[Pale Rider]

As a Gen-Xer who used to drink from the hose after long days of playing outside, I have mild fluorosis spots on my front teeth and there's no way to get rid of them.

I've been anti-fluoride my whole life due to that, long before Dr. Brainworm made an issue out of it. I'd rather brush my teeth with fluoride toothpaste if oral health is the goal.

 

[wonko the sane?]

As a Gen-Xer who used to drink from the hose after long days of playing outside, I have mild fluorosis spots on my front teeth and there's no way to get rid of them.

I've been anti-fluoride my whole life due to that, long before Dr. Brainworm made an issue out of it. I'd rather brush my teeth with fluoride toothpaste if oral health is the goal.

Unless specifically stated: every toothpaste contains fluoride. Not sure about in the states, but I (years ago when I first learned it.) tried to find one without flouride to satisfy my own curiosity. I could not. At least not locally. This was before you could readily get jive off the internet though.

 

[NovaSaber]

John Bolton rips into Trump’s pick for counter-terrorism chief Sebastian Gorka

Trump’s former national security adviser says Gorka is the ‘worst cabinet appointment in recent American history’

www.theguardian.com

Trump praised Gorka, who was born in the UK to Hungarian parents, as a “tireless advocate for the America First Agenda and the MAGA Movement”.


But Bolton came out swinging at Gorka on Friday. The arch-conservative, who served in the Reagan, George W Bush and first Trump administrations, has set out his stall against many of Trump’s picks, including former Democrat and Iraq veteran Tulsi Gabbard for director of national intelligence, and told CNN that he “wouldn’t have him in any US government”.

Earlier this week, Bolton told NewsNation’s The Hill that up until Gorka was nominated by Trump as a deputy assistant to the president and the senior director for counter-terrorism, he would have said that Gabbard’s nomination “was the worst cabinet appointment in recent American history”.

Bolton’s not alone in his criticism. Democratic National Committee spokesperson Alex Floyd called Gorka “a far-right extremist who is as dangerous as he is unqualified to lead America’s counter-terrorism strategy”.

 

[Pale Rider]

FB friend:

Everyone just accepts that Trump is immune to consequences for breaking the law. Everyone knows that Trump is above the law, and the public doesn't care.

That's how much damage he's done to the rule of law.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

It's not that a lot of us don't care. It's that we're so burned out over the famous and influential thumbing their noses at the law that we have a hard time expecting anything else. It's yet another problem that Trump didn't start, but he's sure as hell making it worse.

 

[Ungnome]

Anti-corruption laws really need to have actual teeth and a justice department willing to use them..... Sometimes think we need a 4th branch of government to keep an eye on the other three branches and be in charge of enforcing such things, because obviously the other three aren't doing a good job of policing themselves.... I have NO idea how to implement that without said branch also being able to break itself, though.

 

[wonko the sane?]

The population is the fourth house. When jive like this happens, you're supposed to rise up and overthrow the tyrants.

 

[Ungnome]

Kinda hard to do when nearly a half of the population is buying what the fascist is saying.

 

[wonko the sane?]

And that half is armed and primed for violence.

But hey, maybe some latinos will change their mind about supporting trump when they see the "ranch" in texas they're going to live on until they get deported.

 

[Ungnome]

The economy is likely the only thing that will save us. IF Trump does what he says he'll do on the economy, it will drive up inflation(due to purposely devaluing the dollar while simultaneously implementing tariffs AND causing a labor shortage due to the deportations) It will hurt enough people in the pocketbook that they'll think twice about continuing to support him.

 

[Rhinox]

At this point it is going to take a full on depression, akin to the Great Depression, for there to be any movement of the needle. The propagandists and foreign actors have placed themselves prime to control the narrative and cast blame.
Until that changes, I have no hope for the future. Until Citizens United is overridden, until there's a solution to the Fox News problem, until foreign actors cannot buy accounts on Facebook and other places and absolutely spam the bullshit to the uneducated masses, the needle will not move.