Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

[G.B.Blackrock]

Depends on what needle you're talking about. Will people "wise up"? Probably not. But people can and will be reliably depended upon to punish incumbants when the economy is bad. So long as voting power is not, itself, taken away (not an assumption I make these days), Ungnome's statement is likely to hold true.

 

[CoffeeHorse]

But hey, maybe some latinos will change their mind about supporting trump when they see the "ranch" in texas they're going to live on until they get deported.

Many latinos are in fact citizens, and not at all in any risk of deportation.

 

[Shadhausen]

Many latinos are in fact citizens, and not at all in any risk of deportation.

Do you honestly think Trump cares? And it's not like there's anybody that's going to stop him.

 

[wonko the sane?]

Many latinos are in fact citizens, and not at all in any risk of deportation.

They want to repeal birthright citizenship, and naturalization has a mechanism to strip it from individuals. They plan to deport between 20 and 25 MILLION PEOPLE (at a cost of 88 billion per million people.). One ass went on camera and was completely hyped to put kids back in cages.

If you are brown, black, yellow, literally any colour other than white: they want to deport you. They will try. How well they succeed depends entirely on their competence, and it's still destroying millions of lives, just probably not all 25 million lives.

Bye bye abluita. You're going back where you came from even if you've never broken a law... other than crossing the border. Hell, you might not have even needed to do that. Trump want you out even if you did everything by the book. He's never read any books anyway.

 

[Paladin]

Trump election case is tossed after special counsel requests dismissal citing 'categorical' DOJ policy

The judge overseeing Donald Trump's election interference case has dismissed the case, after special counsel Jack Smith asked the judge to toss the case due to a long-standing Justice Department policy that bars the prosecution of a sitting president. Smith earlier Monday moved to dismiss...

www.yahoo.com

Laws don't matter and consequences don't exist.

 

[NovaSaber]

Many latinos are in fact citizens, and not at all in any risk of deportation.

Trump does not care about the distinction.
The Haitian Americans he accused of eating dogs are citizens.

 

[The Mighty Mollusk]

Even then, Trump's cult won't bother to ask for proof of residence.

 

[Paladin]

Donald Trump vows to impose 25% tariff on all products from Canada and Mexico

President-elect Donald Trump said he would impose a tariff on products from Canada and Mexico until they stop flow of drugs, migrant crossings.

www.usatoday.com

it's bad enough seeing the recession coming with no way to stop it; knowing the stupidest out of touch ************s are leading us into it hurts all the more.

Bessent said 'tariffs can’t be inflationary because if the price of one thing goes up -- unless you give people more money -- then they have less money to spend on the other thing, so there is no inflation.' https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/25/business/ceos-react-bessent-trump-treasury-pick

 

[NovaSaber]

Yes, president-elect Donald Trump is legally required to sign an ethics agreement

Legislation that Trump signed into law in 2020 requires the president-elect and his team to sign an ethical code of conduct and disclose conflicts of interest.

www.verifythis.com

That bipartisan legislation, which Trump signed into law during his first presidential term in March 2020, amended the Presidential Transition Act of 1963. Though presidents-elect had adopted ethics plans in the past, the law did not previously require it, Sen. Warren, who cosponsored the Presidential Transition Enhancement Act, said in 2020.

Under the law, presidential candidates are required to “create and release an ethics plan for their transition team prior to the election,” the nonpartisan Center for Presidential Transition said in March 2020.

Trump missed the Oct. 1 deadline to establish an ethics plan for his transition team, according to the CLC.

It’s unclear exactly what would happen if Trump doesn’t sign and submit the ethics agreement before his inauguration on Jan. 20, 2025. But the CLC says his refusal to do so is already holding up the presidential transition process.

He signed it into law himself and still isn't following it.

 

[Pocket]

It’s unclear exactly what would happen if Trump doesn’t sign and submit the ethics agreement before his inauguration on Jan. 20, 2025.

Literally nothing. Just like what's happening as a result of being convicted of 34 crimes earlier this year.

 

[abates]

Yeah, we already established that presidents are above the law, so I'm not sure why they bothered to make a law with respect to the president in the first place.

 

[CoffeeHorse]

If I'm reading the law right (and verifythis.com is awesome for linking to both the amendment and the law) there is no prescribed punishment. It just means Trump and his team aren't considered anything more than civilians right now. This goes away when Trump when Trump gets sworn in, but it means he and his staff will have to spend day 1 learning how their jobs work instead of learning now so they already know what to do on day 1 and can just do it.

The idea is supposed to be that we never have a single day when the White House isn't staffed by people who are up to speed on what their departments are doing. Day 1 is supposed to mean they just start officially doing what they've already been unofficially doing for weeks.

We just have to hope there is nothing important going on in the world that's in the intelligence briefings this team isn't getting right now.

 

[Pale Rider]

Yeah, we already established that presidents are above the law, so I'm not sure why they bothered to make a law with respect to the president in the first place.

He ain't POTUS until he's inaugurated.

 

[Anonymous X]

Donald Trump vows to impose 25% tariff on all products from Canada and Mexico

President-elect Donald Trump said he would impose a tariff on products from Canada and Mexico until they stop flow of drugs, migrant crossings.

www.usatoday.com

it's bad enough seeing the recession coming with no way to stop it; knowing the stupidest out of touch ************s are leading us into it hurts all the more.

25% tariffs, on produce from the countries where the US sources most of their food imports? The inflation caused by Covid and the war in Ukraine is going to be nothing compared to what’s coming. The cost of basic living is going to sky rocket, and not just in the States. People have no idea what is about to him them.

 

[Ungnome]

The only silver lining is that the hardships MIGHT just wake enough people up so that we can start dismantling the far right machines that have lead us here. You can only push lower class citizens so far before they fight back. It's gonna get ugly, it's gonna get violent and it all could have been avoided.....

 

[KidTDragon]

Or they're going to blame everything on Democrats like they've been programmed to do and things will continue to get worse.

 

[Ungnome]

That only works for so long. When you have a government trifecta and things continue to get worse, it becomes more and more difficult to shift the blame. Even Fox News and its more extreme cousins can only deceive so much. It wasn't the Fox viewers that allowed Trump to win, it was the Democrats running on essentially a 'republican-lite' platform. If they had shifted left and TRUELY focused on bolstering low/middle class labor voters instead of appeasing the middle and trying to rope in moderate republicans, we could have had different results. We lost because left leaning voters stayed home and those on the fence were still upset about inflation and Trump yelled the loudest that he could 'fix it'.

 

[Rhinox]

Many latinos are in fact citizens, and not at all in any risk of deportation.

Wonko said it best, but I do want to emphasis this. Trump and his team, especially Steven (don't look in the closet, you'll see my bedsheet hood) Miller, are going to do everything they can do deport anyone who doesn't fit their image of white and successful. The outright statements against birthright citizenship alone should terrify anyone with any sort of latino origins. Or with family in the country that fits the bill.

Again, this is a FAFO moment and i have no sympathy. Y'all voted in droves for him, enjoy the internment camps. I refuse to shed a tear for those who put him back into power just to suffer at his hands. Enough people warned you. You deliberately chose ignorance.

 

[Ungnome]

I can't help but to feel at least a little sorry for them, assuming they realize they made a mistake and don't double down on supporting the one who put them in the camps. Now I do feel MORE sorry for the ones in the same situation who voted against Trump, but still I can have compassion for those suffering, even if their own actions caused their suffering.

 

[Xaaron]

Has anyone ever coherently explained what they think an America without Birthright citizenship looks like?

I'm an American citizen because I was born here. If pressed, I could get my Birth Certificate to prove it. But if Birthright citizenship is revoked, then am I only a citizen if my parents were citizens? And even then only if my parents were here legally? Which means going back another generation...

I feel like Trump and his allies have a dream of revoking Birthright citizenship retroactively, but that would be such an absolute clusterf**k in practice.