Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Steevy Maximus

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I went ahead and put in orders for some stuff I hadn't planned on buying because of these sorts of issues. Managed to get a good deal on an open box Asus Vivobook from Best Buy ($450 for Core 5 Ultra Series 2, 16GB Ram, 512 SSD and OLED screen). Might do a few early toy orders to secure pricing. I figure the summer stuff is "in country", but stuff for the fall?

That may be a problem.
 

Corvus

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I'm really, REALLY glad that my old PC literally fried a fan-port 2 years ago and I had to build a new PC. Didn't seem like good timing, but it was sandwiched between a whole host of PC component issues of various types that I managed to avoid largely out of luck, and now we have this. I do need to buy a new M.2 SSD for a laptop I was given, and I need to do that very soon, but otherwise I'm good for a while. *knocks on wood*

Anyway, time to share this. From From Bob Woodward's, Fear: Trump in the White House:

"Why don't we manufacture things at home?" Lindsey asked. "We're a manufacturing country."

Of course the United States manufactured things, but reality did not match the vision in Trump's mind. The president clung to an outdated view of America—locomotives, factories with huge smokestacks, workers busy on assembly lines.

Cohn assembled every piece of economic data available to show that American workers did not aspire to work in assembly factories.

Each month Cohn brought Trump the latest Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey, called JOLTS, conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. He realized he was being an asshole by rubbing it in because each month was basically the same, but he didn't care.

"Mr. President, can I show this to you?" Cohn fanned out the pages of data in front of the president. "See, the biggest leavers of jobs—people leaving voluntarily—was from manufacturing."

"I don't get it," Trump said.

Cohn tried to explain: "I can sit in a nice office with air conditioning and a desk, or stand on my feet eight hours a day. Which one would you do for the same pay?"

Cohn added, "People don't want to stand in front of a 2,000 degree blast furnace. People don't want to go into coal mines and get black lung. For the same dollars or equal dollars, they're going to choose something else."

Trump wasn't buying it.

Several times Cohn just asked the president, "Why do you have these views?"

"I just do," Trump replied. "I've had these views for 30 years."

"That doesn't mean they're right," Cohn said. "I had the view for 15 years I could play professional football. It doesn't mean I was right."
 

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Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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90 day "pause" on everyone but China, who goes up to 125%. We'll see if it stays a pause, but there's going to be a lot of warehouses getting crammed to the brim in the next three months. Also frankly surprised he hasn't just called for a halt entirely on all shipping to/from China - it seems like the natural endpoint at this rate.
 

Steevy Maximus

Well known pompous pontificator
Citizen

The massive reciprocal tariffs are on pause for 90 days, but the new 10% baseline remains in effect. Except for China, which is up to 125% plus sector specific tariffs.
The brown nosers in the administration or playing this up as some sort of "master plan", but I firmly believe that somebody(s) finally put their foot down after the market tumbled. As stated in the report, Trump's day by day whims on global economic policy isn't going to be tolerated. Who is going to want to negotiate trade deals when the dumbass in chief might throw it all out based on the whims of the social media personality blowing him that night?
 

Deathy G1

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90 day "pause" on everyone but China, who goes up to 125%. We'll see if it stays a pause, but there's going to be a lot of warehouses getting crammed to the brim in the next three months. Also frankly surprised he hasn't just called for a halt entirely on all shipping to/from China - it seems like the natural endpoint at this rate.
The thing with this is that so much comes from China, even components for things like "American" cars. Wall Street is celebrating, but on Main Street, things have only gotten worse. Pretty much everything is still going to skyrocket in price.

Nothing good will ever come from this for anyone but the oligarchy.
 

Ironbite4

Well-known member
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Xi might be his boy but China isn't Project 2025's boi. Hence why he's still got a hard on for them. Remember, he's not actually ruling anything but following someone else's playbook.

Ironbite-and that playbook is made by stupid, cruel men.
 

Deathy G1

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The big thing that he did the past few days has been complete and utter market manipulation. I don’t think he intends to do anything except punish China and everything else is just to make him money.
 

Axaday

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What a corn ball. Trump pauses the tariffs for 90 days, obviously because of all of this, and doesn't have an answer. He says he did it because people were getting afraid. Well, which is it? Is this the bit of pain required to get us to the golden age of wealth or not? If it is, let's finish! If it's not, say that. Nobody wants to put it off 90 days. The stocks rallied because they are hoping you just won't do it.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
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Looks like Trump's trying to make himself feel better after having to give up the tariff scheme with a little petty revenge:

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KidTDragon

Now with hi-res avatar!
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I was wondering when BBTS was going to chime in.

Hi Everyone,

I’m writing to share with you how we are working to handle the rapidly escalating tariff situation. I want to be transparent and honest with you about the impacts of these tariffs. This is a complex situation so I apologize upfront for the length of my note, but I feel it is important to be as clear as possible in this difficult time.

Tariffs – What Just Happened
For 25 years, we have operated as a family-owned business under a 0% tariff rate. Several months ago a 10% tariff was enacted for goods made in China. It was then doubled to 20%. In April a 34% tariff was added to the total, bringing us to 54%. Last night another 50% was added, and today (April 9th) an additional 21% was added, bringing us to 125% total tariffs on Chinese goods. Vietnam was to be subject to a 46% tariff, but it appears that this has been reduced to 10% for the next 90 days. These two countries manufacture 90% of the goods that we sell.

What is the Impact
This unfortunately is going to result in retail price increases on products impacted by the tariffs, including new and open pre-orders. We are working hard to minimize these increases through discussions with our vendors, deploying the most efficient importing processes, and ultimately sharing directly in the financial pain. I’m heartbroken to have to do this, and I hate this tariff situation: it is ridiculous, poorly thought out, poorly implemented, cruel and punishing to everyone involved in affected countries and at every level of our industry.

Who Pays Tariffs
Tariffs are a tax on the US consumer. Foreign governments do NOT pay these tariffs. The US based companies who import these goods are directly responsible for paying the tariffs. And ultimately, the US based consumer pays for them through higher product prices. We are devastated that it has come to this, and we will continue to work hard to minimize the impact to you.

When and How will Prices Change
In the past month we have raised prices in a manner that was inclusive of expected tariffs, while also honoring previously pre-ordered prices. Unfortunately, the dramatic increases in tariff levels has now made this approach impossible.

To minimize confusion during this rapidly changing situation, we will be changing newly affected pre-order product listings to reflect our normal, non-tariff-based price. We will also add a notice indicating that a tariff surcharge will be added at the time of the product’s arrival. We will inform you of the full amount before your payment method is charged. You will also be able to cancel your pre-order at that time if the surcharge amount is something you do not wish to pay. Our customer service team, as always, will be ready to help with any issues that arise from this situation, and we will be very flexible given the circumstances. Today, we expect the surcharge may be between 15% to 40% of the pre-order price, however that could change as the situation continues to unfold. Please note that any items currently In Stock are not subject to the tariff.

We are working as fast as we can to make these changes clear on our site, but it will take us time. We have over 10,000 items listed for pre-order currently, and it is going to take us time to work through how each vendor will respond to their specific tariff situation. Our supply chain is complex and we have hundreds of vendors. The timing of when a particular tariff is applied will depend on a variety of factors including import shipping dates and any new rules set by the government.

Finally
I absolutely hate increasing prices to you, but the tariff situation is beyond our control. If tariffs are reduced or removed, we will reduce or remove the tariff surcharges on orders accordingly. My pledge to you is that we will be fair, and we will share the pain of this. I assure you we are already feeling significant economic and business disruption pain from these tariffs. We will continue to work hard to serve you with the quality and customer service level you expect as we navigate through this difficult time.

I want to thank you deeply for all the trust and loyalty that you have placed in BBTS with your collecting passion. Whether you have recently joined our family or have been with us for years, we truly value our relationship with you and will do our best to continue to earn your trust every day.

Sincerely,
Joel Boblit
Founder and President
 

Steevy Maximus

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Citizen
Some clarification on the de minimis loophole that the Administration closed with the most recent round of tariffs this month. A potential big upside to this, to me, is the clearing out of the knock off and bottom barrel garbage listings that clutter Amazon’s site.
 

CoffeeHorse

Exhausted, but still standing.
Staff member
Council of Elders
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A lot of that stuff needed to go, for sure. I'm gonna have a bad time though. Those listings are the only way I buy clothes. My waist size has fallen to a Chinese medium. If I have to buy American I'm going to need suspenders.
 


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