Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Axaday

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I wonder if the person who taught Trump about tariffs will eventually turncoat and write a book. I suspect the story would be that they had no idea he would take it so far.

I was thinking about patterns and this might be #3 of something.

1) Both parties know that illegal immigration is serving a purpose and actually doing some things "better" as long as it is illegal because people can be exploited. They take occasional potshots at each other, but both know not to screw it up. Trump doesn't know not to screw it up and makes it his goal to get rid of it.

2) Both parties know that legal abortion gets them a baseline of guaranteed constituents regardless of other issues and talk and talk about what the other party would do, but know not to screw it up. Trump doesn't know not to screw it up.

3) Both parties know that the USA is in a great position on trade and getting greater value out of exporting technology and IP. They take occasional potshots at each other about manufacturing to score cheap points, but both know not to screw it up. Trump hears that tariffs will bring back the factories and sets his crosshairs on it.
 

Dekafox

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Based on things I've heard/read, Trump's love with tariffs actually goes back to his college days; only now he has the ability to do something about it, and the will to force it through.
 

The Mighty Mollusk

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He was expecting to have to run for a second term and planned to go full dictator the second time, when he wouldn't have to worry about reelection anyway (one way or another). Losing not only showed him that he'd better hurry up if he wants to do whatever he wants, it also brought out his extra vindictive side. Now he's determined AND pissed off, and everyone will suffer for it.
 

CoffeeHorse

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Losing also gave him four years to find a cabinet that would back him up on absolutely anything he wanted to do if he somehow got back in. Not many people would want to be Treasury Secretary in the middle of this, but he found the one. Not many people would want to be Secretary of State in the middle of all this, but he found the one.
 

wonko the sane?

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He found some shmucks that don't do the work anyway, and won't quit because of poor working conditions. They are there for the pills and the paycheque and nothing more.
 

Corvus

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Something happened in the last 4 years. He could have done this before.

He TRIED this before, during his first term.

The biggest difference is that there were actually some adults in the room that could manage some of his worst impulses and act as a bulwark against the worst things he'd try. Now those adults are gone.

As for the other jive that's happened in the last 4 years: he's 4 years older, and 4 years crazier.
 

G.B.Blackrock

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Watching the stock market crash as a result of 47's tariffs put me in mind of some conversations back when Toys R Us was going out of business back in 2018.

Many of us (arguably not all) were of the opinion that TRU's failure was less to do with any of their own specific failings, nor even of the toy market more generally, but because of private equity (such as, but not exclusively, Bain Capital) having bought them out some years previous, and basically milking the company for whatever cash it could make for shareholders, enriching themselves while destroying the company.

When folks point out that 47 has a history of embarking on business failures (which is true), it seems to me that he's doing something similar now, but with the nation itself. He just keeps getting more and more money and power for himself, at the expense of literally everyone else.
 

Pocket

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FDR's biggest mistake was not just shutting down the stock market when public opinion of it was at its nadir.
 

CoffeeHorse

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I didn't think about it before, but here's some ammunition to file away. Trump has said a lot of times that there was never a terrorist attack on US soil in his first term. It wasn't true, even by his own word, but anyway.

His justification for deporting anyone that looks like they could be a member of a Venezuelan gang (and a lot of people look kinda like that) is that they are a terrorist organization. So if they have done any crimes (I guess they have?) then he's got a lot of terrorist attacks.

Aaaaaaaaaand granted. Deportations under the Alien Enemies Act can resume.


Notably, the Supreme Court isn't saying these people have no right to challenge their removal. They just have to do so in the district where they're detained prior to removal. So Texas in this case. Good luck with that.
 

wonko the sane?

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How are they supposed to challenge their removal in the district they were removed from: when the first step is shuffling them around the entire ******* country and refusing them their due rights and privileges, like phones calls and attorneys?
 


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