Traitor Watch - The 45 & 47 Thread

Axaday

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I cannot speak to how it feels from your chair. There IS a difference between supportive and being an advocate and I do think most Democrats in national leadership are supportive. They could do more, certainly, and I'm sure they are counting the cost on that. It is what it is. But they believe it is real and decry Republicans for a lot of their worst attacks.
 
NovaSaber

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Ungnome said:
Trump is bad at very many things, but he is actually pretty good at being a conman. *sigh*
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Well, it certainly is common for people to cherry-pick his lies to pretend he really meant the ones they liked and didn't mean the ones they disliked.

But here people are believing a lie he never even told.
Supporting Netayahu's "war" is something he actually has been consistent about.
 

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NovaSaber said:
Well, it certainly is common for people to cherry-pick his lies to pretend he really meant the ones they liked and didn't mean the ones they disliked.

But here people are believing a lie he never even told.
Supporting Netayahu's "war" is something he actually has been consistent about.
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That is a top tier liar!
 
Ungnome

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He may not have said he supported Palestine, but he definitley spent money on ads in areas with large Muslim populations painting Harris as being completely pro-Israel while remaining silent on his own position. They also ran ads stating the exact opposite in areas with large Jewish populations. He will tell people whatever they want to hear so he can get his hooks into them to gain more money and power. He played both sides and his team did it expertly, unfortunately. Perhaps Harris should have gone down the low road a bit more throughout her campaign instead of waiting until the final couple of weeks to actually call him a fascist, I don't know... Doing so could have pushed more supporters away from her than it brought in...
 
wonko the sane?

wonko the sane?

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Sorry billy, they took your autistic brother to the farm upstate.

The same one they sent lassie to?!?!
 
Teufel

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Pale Rider said:
I can think of one thing it would have allowed her to do: she could have been more forthright about the things she would do differently in her administration. The answer she gave on The View out of deference to him probably cost her a lot of votes.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1843673450688487566
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It was worse than that, because several hours later on that same day she got asked essentially the same question by Stephen Colbert and still couldn't answer it.


Now, I don't know how many people watch those shows or were impacted by them, I'd be willing to believe not too many, but it was very indicative of her campaign and her as a candidate. She didn't have an answer for the essential question of the race - how are you different than Joe Biden, the very unpopular incumbent? After falling flat on her face, hours later, she fell flat on her face on the same exact question. Even after that they never really nailed down an answer. It was beyond political malpractice.

Ungnome said:
He may not have said he supported Palestine, but he definitley spent money on ads in areas with large Muslim populations painting Harris as being completely pro-Israel while remaining silent on his own position. They also ran ads stating the exact opposite in areas with large Jewish populations. He will tell people whatever they want to hear so he can get his hooks into them to gain more money and power. He played both sides and his team did it expertly, unfortunately. Perhaps Harris should have gone down the low road a bit more throughout her campaign instead of waiting until the final couple of weeks to actually call him a fascist, I don't know... Doing so could have pushed more supporters away from her than it brought in...
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Kamala's own ads about herself weren't that different, telling Jewish and Muslim audiences what the campaign thought they'd want to hear and sort of trying to have it both ways.

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A CNN investigation found that Vice President Kamala Harris is running contradictory ads about the war in Israel, depending on where you live.

If you live in Michigan, a state with a dense Muslim-American population, you will see ads about how she supports the relief efforts in Gaza, where she says she "will not be silent."

The Michigan ad states: "What has happened in Gaza in the past nine months in devastating, we cannot allow ourselves to become numb to the suffering," Harris is quoted in the ad.

If you drive East to Pennsylvania and flip on a television, you'll see the vice president at a different podium in an ad saying: "Let me be clear, I will always stand up for Israel's right to defend itself, and I will always ensure Israel's ability to defend itself."

For the second ad, taken from her DNC speech, the part where she advocates for peace in Gaza was edited out. CNN reports it was taken out so her message could be more strongly accepted by Jewish voters in Pennsylvania.
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Teufel said:
It was worse than that, because several hours later on that same day she got asked essentially the same question by Stephen Colbert and still couldn't answer it.


Now, I don't know how many people watch those shows or were impacted by them, I'd be willing to believe not too many, but it was very indicative of her campaign and her as a candidate. She didn't have an answer for the essential question of the race - how are you different than Joe Biden, the very unpopular incumbent? After falling flat on her face, hours later, she fell flat on her face on the same exact question. Even after that they never really nailed down an answer. It was beyond political malpractice.



Kamala's own ads about herself weren't that different, telling Jewish and Muslim audiences what the campaign thought they'd want to hear and sort of trying to have it both ways.

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She can't answer it now. What would you say?
 
Pale Rider

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Everyone, and I mean everyone, who follows current events knows that Putin's enemies have a way of mysteriously dying. It's the biggest running joke in foreign affairs. And yet, Trump supporters are still OK with the idea of making America more like Putin's Russia.

Think about what that means. Seriously, think about it. Trump supporters are OK with America becoming more like a country whose leader routinely has his political rivals and critics assassinated.

Anyone who downplays this movement's totalitarian tendencies is either a moron or a collaborator.
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Well, Trump has confirmed that he plans to declare a national emergency to carry out his planned mass deportation scheme, ie- martial law. Or at MTG calls it, "marshall law".

If he does this, how long will you have to wait before he declares this "national emergency" to be over and voluntarily returns the emergency powers he granted himself?

Millions of Americans voted for a wannabe dictator and they're still in denial that he seriously wants to become a real dictator.
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*Trump attempts to seize control of the government in a coup*
Conservatives: it's over-the-top to say he's like Hitler!

*Trump declares that immigrants are vermin with bad genes*
Conservatives: it's over-the-top to say he's like Hitler!

*Trump says immigrants are "poisoning the blood" of the nation*
Conservatives: it's over-the-top to say he's like Hitler!

*Trump says he will end elections*
Conservatives: it's over-the-top to say he's like Hitler!

*Trump supporters intimidate lawmakers with threats of violence*
Conservatives: it's over-the-top to say he's like Hitler!

*Trump wins, announces plan to seize emergency powers*
Conservatives: it's over-the-top to say he's like Hitler!
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Normalcy bias is definitely a thing. Also, people SUCK ASS at knowing their history.
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You wait and see: if Trump grants himself emergency powers as he says he will, his supporters will all be saying "actually, martial law isn't that bad" and "we've had martial law in this country before" by the end of the week.
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NovaSaber

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www.newsweek.com

Hitler Was Incompetent and Lazy—and His Government an Absolute Clown Show

Why did the elites of Germany so consistently underestimate Hitler? Possibly because they weren't actually wrong in their assessment of his competency—they just failed to realise that this wasn't enough to stand in the way of his ambition.
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But beyond him being (obviously) a genocidal maniac, there's an aspect to Hitler's rule that kind of gets missed in our standard view of him. Even if popular culture has long enjoyed turning him into an object of mockery, we still tend to believe that the Nazi machine was ruthlessly efficient, and that the great dictator spent most of his time…well, dictating things.

So it's worth remembering that Hitler was actually an incompetent, lazy egomaniac and his government was an absolute clown show.

In fact, this may even have helped his rise to power, as he was consistently underestimated by the German elite. Before he became chancellor, many of his opponents had dismissed him as a joke for his crude speeches and tacky rallies. Even after elections had made the Nazis the largest party in the Reichstag, people still kept thinking that Hitler was an easy mark, a blustering idiot who could easily be controlled by smart people.
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Hitler's personal failings didn't stop him having an uncanny instinct for political rhetoric that would gain mass appeal, and it turns out you don't actually need to have a particularly competent or functional government to do terrible things.

We tend to assume that when something awful happens there must have been some great controlling intelligence behind it. It's understandable: how could things have gone so wrong, we think, if there wasn't an evil genius pulling the strings? The downside of this is that we tend to assume that if we can't immediately spot an evil genius, then we can all chill out a bit because everything will be fine.

But history suggests that's a mistake, and it's one that we make over and over again. Many of the worst man-made events that ever occurred were not the product of evil geniuses. Instead they were the product of a parade of idiots and lunatics, incoherently flailing their way through events, helped along the way by overconfident people who thought they could control them.
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