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LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
Have Hasbro buy DinoZaurs from Bandai (since Bandai is just sitting on that property doing nothing with it and letting it rot) and do a complete reboot of that series (with better writing) as part of the Transformers brand. Boom! A full cast of completely different characters from the norm but with that familiar Beast Wars-esque feel.
Allosaurus is my favourite dinosaur and has been since I was a kid. I've been waiting YEARS of a Sentai/Power Rangers or Transformers robotic Allosaurus and it's been nothing but broken dreams so... YES PLEASE
 

Shadewing

Well-known member
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Allosaurus is my favourite dinosaur and has been since I was a kid. I've been waiting YEARS of a Sentai/Power Rangers or Transformers robotic Allosaurus and it's been nothing but broken dreams so... YES PLEASE

 

Sabrblade

Continuity Nutcase
Citizen
Allosaurus is my favourite dinosaur and has been since I was a kid. I've been waiting YEARS of a Sentai/Power Rangers or Transformers robotic Allosaurus and it's been nothing but broken dreams so... YES PLEASE
Unfortunately, there was no Allosaurus featured in DinoZaurs either.
 

Superomegaprime

Wondering bot
Citizen
this is why we need to move away from g1. start fresh with a new leader.

That is VERY hard as Optimus prime & Megatron are two of the most iconic characters and taking them out, is not going to generate Hasbro or takara, money, but maybe having them be more advisory role or secondary characters in a show would work, maybe tell a story where Optimus is the surpeme commander and he cannot lead every mission but being the surpeme commander, he apoints another bot, say for example: Metalhawk to handle things, the war is raging on mutable fronts and say Earth is just one battlefield of many spread across the galaxy! While on the con side, Megatron in a similar procession, yet he also going to battlefields personally, at least the ones that interst him the most, while others could be handled by lower level officers, say Straxis for example and those officers have their own personal goals, thus the Decepticons could be a sort of allience of powerful dangerous bots, yet Megatron is deemed the most dangerous and powerful of them all with the characters of a leader to back it up, unlike say Starscream, who so obcessed with taking control of the Decepticons, if he achived his wish, the allience, falls apart as the other elite officers, such as Zarak or Deathsaurus, view him as a weak fool, and chose not to follow him, so the resources are limited to him!
 

LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
Sadly no toy.

Unfortunately, there was no Allosaurus featured in DinoZaurs either.
You're right. I was confusing DinoZaurs with Dinosaucers
 

Cybersnark

Well-known member
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That is VERY hard as Optimus prime & Megatron are two of the most iconic characters and taking them out, is not going to generate Hasbro or takara, money,
I feel like at this point the kids and collectors-aimed toylines are distinct enough that Hasbro could probably get away with leaving them out of the kids' line for a year or two.

There'll always be a new G1-with-movable-fingers animation-model-accurate Optimus Prime on shelves; let Elita-1 or Springer or Metalhawk headline the cartoon.
 

Superomegaprime

Wondering bot
Citizen
I feel like at this point the kids and collectors-aimed toylines are distinct enough that Hasbro could probably get away with leaving them out of the kids' line for a year or two.

There'll always be a new G1-with-movable-fingers animation-model-accurate Optimus Prime on shelves; let Elita-1 or Springer or Metalhawk headline the cartoon.

With collectors line, sure, I honestly expect not to see many Optimus prime figures next year along with Megatron as we just had a major run of them late, espeically OP and the only OPs we'll see, will likely be repaints of existing figures or reissues, but moving away from them completely, impossible at this point, they tried to do that back in the 80s with the movie, killing off many characters, without truly realising that they were fan favourtes and Rodimus wasn't embraced that well at the time, thou fans have soften to him over time
 

Haywire

Collecter of Gobots and Godzilla
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Which is why I decided to run.

Remember to vote Donocropolis for Autobot Leader this November. If elected, I promise not to go on a killing spree. One was enough.
There is only ONE clear choice for LEADER, a GUARDIAN of peace throughout the galaxy, but ready to fight against any RENEGADE threats to life and freedom. A dependable BOT that will GO the extra mile to champion fairness and equality amid a cycle of uncertainty. FRIENDLY, even when facing off against ENEMY forces, this candidate will soar above the competition as the next Autobot commander:

Vote Leader-1 for Autobot leader! He's the Prime candidate!
 

Princess Viola

Dumbass Asexual
Citizen
honestly i'd rather hastak just come to the realization that like...they don't have to make the designs of optimus prime and megatron in the kid-aimed line styled after g1 and they can give them unique designs instead

like yeah even if they're not carbon copies of the g1 designs, it's still boring as hell lol
 

Sabrblade

Continuity Nutcase
Citizen
honestly i'd rather hastak just come to the realization that like...they don't have to make the designs of optimus prime and megatron in the kid-aimed line styled after g1 and they can give them unique designs instead

like yeah even if they're not carbon copies of the g1 designs, it's still boring as hell lol
Such is the bane of Brand Marketing Consistency.
 

Steevy Maximus

Well known pompous pontificator
Citizen
Such is the bane of Brand Marketing Consistency.
Not only that, but the “designers” don’t seem to design anywhere NEAR as much as they used to. Since TF07 and Animated, the various media designs are produced by media artists, who don’t have to concern themselves with issues like “engineering” or “physics”.
Since Siege, Generations has “devolved” into taking existing designs and converting them into the current cost paradigm while also building in “retools” to extend the release viability of those new molds.
 

LBD "Nytetrayn"

Broke the Matrix
Staff member
Council of Elders
Citizen
Meh, someone's gonna take that up if the opportunity presents itself. At least the trailer's still someone else's problem. It's just such an unnecessary budget complication at this point. (And it seems like an easy enough thing for them to engineer and produce and sell for way more than it's worth once the need is there. And if cost is too high or demand for it is too low to justify them making it, well, that just proves that Hasbro shouldn't bother either.)

Now if it were Armada Prime's trailer, or Rodimus', that's something that arguably should always be part of the main release. But the long gray box with minicar (sometimes) seems like something that just isn't a feasible ask at main retail price points, and so much gets compromised to make it happen at all that it ends up pleasing fewer than it should anyway (I didn't mind either ER or SS trailers, but I can see why some might feel underwhelmed, and boy I've certainly heard enough of that). Spend the money on something better. The Classics Voyager was a solid mold and the trailer wasn't missed; those who DID miss it eventually had ones they could get. And the field is fuller now.

If they're going to keep reusing or recommending the Earthrise trailer, I say just sell the figures by themselves, sell the trailers online (advertise it on or in the box), and occasionally release "special editions" or whatever that have both.

Even the third party option for Classics Prime back in the day didn't do much, aside from that neat mirror trick that I'm pretty sure everyone who had it did once and never again.

...okay, I'm foggy on this one. What?

That is VERY hard as Optimus prime & Megatron are two of the most iconic characters and taking them out, is not going to generate Hasbro or takara, money, but maybe having them be more advisory role or secondary characters in a show would work, maybe tell a story where Optimus is the surpeme commander and he cannot lead every mission but being the surpeme commander, he apoints another bot, say for example: Metalhawk to handle things, the war is raging on mutable fronts and say Earth is just one battlefield of many spread across the galaxy! While on the con side, Megatron in a similar procession, yet he also going to battlefields personally, at least the ones that interst him the most, while others could be handled by lower level officers, say Straxis for example and those officers have their own personal goals, thus the Decepticons could be a sort of allience of powerful dangerous bots, yet Megatron is deemed the most dangerous and powerful of them all with the characters of a leader to back it up, unlike say Starscream, who so obcessed with taking control of the Decepticons, if he achived his wish, the allience, falls apart as the other elite officers, such as Zarak or Deathsaurus, view him as a weak fool, and chose not to follow him, so the resources are limited to him!

Yeah, I've been saying this for years. More leaders!

At least RID15 gave us some semblance of that.
 

Badgertron

Active member
Citizen
If they're going to keep reusing or recommending the Earthrise trailer, I say just sell the figures by themselves, sell the trailers online (advertise it on or in the box), and occasionally release "special editions" or whatever that have both.



...okay, I'm foggy on this one. What?



Yeah, I've been saying this for years. More leaders!

At least RID15 gave us some semblance of that.
IIRC it was the "G3" trailer, where the side panels folded out into mirrored/chromed sides, which gave off the illusion that the trailer had gone into subspace.
 

LordGigaIce

Another babka?
Citizen
I feel like at this point the kids and collectors-aimed toylines are distinct enough that Hasbro could probably get away with leaving them out of the kids' line for a year or two.

There'll always be a new G1-with-movable-fingers animation-model-accurate Optimus Prime on shelves; let Elita-1 or Springer or Metalhawk headline the cartoon.
The problem is that the very people who are tired of Optimus and Megs are the diehards- those of us who care enough to find a Transformers message board and post on it. We consume more TF media than most other people, of course there's an outsized subgroup of us tired of the status quo.

But that's not who Hasbro targets their media at. For them it's young kids getting into things for the first time- and therefore aren't tired of OP and Megs- or casual general audience types who know the brand but aren't "in the fandom." To them OP and Megs are the face of Transformers.

And Hasbro is a publicly traded company. If they run a show with Springer leading a team of Autobots against Cyclonus' Decepticons and it doesn't hit projected targets for viewership and/or engagement stock holders will ask "why didn't you make the franchise's two most popular characters the leads?"
That scrutiny doesn't exist if you just use OP and Megs because if a project underperforms with them at least you're not left with the sense that you left money on the table character choice-wise.

honestly i'd rather hastak just come to the realization that like...they don't have to make the designs of optimus prime and megatron in the kid-aimed line styled after g1 and they can give them unique designs instead

like yeah even if they're not carbon copies of the g1 designs, it's still boring as hell lol
I think this is a good compromise, because you get the characters that have that valued Brand Equity but you get some freshness.

Thing is I think this will happen. This stuff is all cyclical. Design, aesthetics, it's all cyclical.
Back in the mid-late 2000s Megatron's design philosophy had bottomed out. His G1 gun look hadn't been viable since the early 90s and since then there had been successive attempts to redefine him. Tanks, dragons, space ships... Cybertron was that creative freedom finally over-saturating with a multi-coloured Batmobile. A colour scheme that was only vaguely Megatron-like and his most uncharacteristic alt mode yet.

After that happened... and I was very much around at the time... having Megatron have some consistency was a breath of fresh air. After all RiD and the UT constantly redesigned OP but he always had consistency. Megs lacked that, and the idea of "Megatron will just be grey with black and red accents like G1 going forward and will mostly but not always be a tank" was seen as a much needed refocusing for the character and to pretend it wasn't celebrated at the time is a bit revisionist.

But that was close to twenty years ago now. We've had Megatron after Megatron who's always shared that same general G1 design and stuff like RiD Megs, or even the final straw of the previous philosophy that was Cybertron Megs seems appealing in retrospect.

And that's natural. After so long of keeping Megatron relatively same-y, we'll start to see some creativity. And then in like twenty five years it'll swing back.

None of this is objective in any way. Art, aesthetics, preferences for both, it's all subjective to the extreme. And what's popular swings from one side to the other constantly.

I think we'll start to see more experimentation with OP and Megs' designs going forward in the next few years.

IIRC it was the "G3" trailer, where the side panels folded out into mirrored/chromed sides, which gave off the illusion that the trailer had gone into subspace.
Yep. FansProjects' G3 trailer. The name came from some people in the fandom calling Classics "G3," as the next iteration of the G1 characters after G2. It wasn't a name that stuck but it was used for that trailer.

Yeah, I've been saying this for years. More leaders!
I think the best way to tackle that would be to expand on Animated's idea of different teams having their own leadership.
You could still have OP and Megs be the "leaders" of their respective factions but establish a few 'bot and 'con teams fighting on different fronts of the war across the galaxy and check in on them every few episodes.
 
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wonko the sane?

You may test that assumption at your convinience.
Citizen
Too grand, and overplaying the hand of optimus. The 13 were functionally gods: inbided with powers cybertronians haven't seen since. Optimus is just a file clerk with a nightlight of wisdom in his chest.

How about a post great war cybertron where prime is choosing planetary governors in a new age of colonization: with the series focusing on those planetary governors, how they deal with decepticons trying to either settle and integrate into a society that doesn't trust them, or outright running intelligence operations and attempting to steal the resources being generated to fund either a political or a new military coup of cybertron.
 

Undead Scottsman

Well-known member
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There's different interpretations of the 13. They're clearly just normal dudes who legends sprang up about in IDW (for reasons I won't get into due to spoilers), and Transformers One
Literally has them as just the first generation of bots who get taken out by a non-thirteen member. Even the most powerful of them was no match for getting shot in the back. They're legends and leaders, but not gods.

While it might not work for the Decepticons.

How about a series, where Optimus assembles a new 13. You could then have focus on the new Primes finding thier way.

I like the idea that, at the end of the time when the universe is dying, the last 13 cybertronians are forged, each based around an archetype and taking the form of the more popular and well known characters (So Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee, Starscream, Elita-1, etc.) mixed with a few wildcards for flavor (Windblade, Crasher).

Surviving the end of the universe and the birth of a new one, they proceed to create a new cybertron, just as the 13 before them had, repeating an endless cycle, rebirth after rebirth.
 

Dekafox

Fabulously Foxy Dragon
Citizen
Here's another premise I think could be fun:
Each of the 13 was actually a Vector Sigma-like master computer for a Quintesson colony or world, like Quintus Prime was the primary computer for Quintessa. A Quintesson rebel named Primus then breaks into and rewrites the shell code for each computer to free them from Quintesson control, and they then free all the creations they had domain over. If you want them to have bodies, perhaps they then download themselves into the most recently produced bodies available to escape before they get caught and reprogrammed. Vector Sigma could have been made from a backup of Vector Prime, or was a secondary unit that didn't reach full sentience. And you could link their themes to quirks of their original primary purpose, like ALpha Trion may ahve been the computer for a library world, or Solus was a weapons factory world.

It'd never happen though, but wiht creativity I think we could get some other interesting takes on the 13 like that.
 


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