It was shocking how few characters die in the Armada comic. The cartoon was more brutal.
You make it sound like characters were dying left and right every other episode. Armada was no Movieverse.
It had its moments.
We would remember it as one of the better Transformers shows if the dub had been any good.
We would remember it as one of the better Transformers shows if the dub had been any good.
Thrust dies rather brutally in the show, and not at all in the comic. Starscream dies very memorably in the show, and doesn't die in the comic until Energon (very lamely at that). Sideways appears to die in the show, and does nothing whatsoever in the comic. The comic doesn't even temporarily kill Optimus.
And then Energon arrive and hug it all up.
But seriously, I don't think any other cartoon ended up with Prime being told 'you're not that much better than Megatron' and him proving them right. You can certainly not say the Armada writers weren't bold.
Yeah but all that was towards the end of the show, where you would expect such deaths to occur. The only ones who ever died during the middle of the show were Smokescreen and Optimus, both of whom came back rather quickly after their deaths.
The very end of the series is supposed to be dramatically different and exceptional from what all came before, and thus is really not reflective of the entire picture.
Yeah. The comic also has an end where you would expect such deaths to occur, and they just don't. It was surprising.
Armada Thrust is still the most brutal death from a show or movie, IMO.
Just the idea of a giant metal being being crushed under such pressure that it swells like a balloon and pops... the amount of forces at play are terrifying.
Just the idea of a giant metal being being crushed under such pressure that it swells like a balloon and pops... the amount of forces at play are terrifying.
Probably not. Though with his spark being consumed I guess he did have a whole world of pain.
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Was Armada the first comic that killed Gobots for laughs? I feel like it might have been. Still a little raw about that running "gag".
Armada is my favorite show after G1, only because I grew up on G1 then Armada brought me back into the fold years later. Yeah, the dub is bad, but it has a good overall story. I never read the comic for Armada so I missed out on that. As for the deaths, Smokescreen and Starscream had the most memorable. Thurst's was funny and well deserved so I think very few felt bad for him.
Energon started off really strong and interesting. I still remember when that first episode was done and I went RUNNING to my computer to come on here and let The Allspark know my feelings on the show, I remember a lot of us being really excited by it. I think the gentle inclusion of the Armada folks made it an easy transition. Then....yeah. Then...Cybertron. yikes. At least with G1 when older characters were brought back they were in their original form and colors and accents.....looking at you Jetfire....
Energon started off really strong and interesting. I still remember when that first episode was done and I went RUNNING to my computer to come on here and let The Allspark know my feelings on the show, I remember a lot of us being really excited by it. I think the gentle inclusion of the Armada folks made it an easy transition. Then....yeah. Then...Cybertron. yikes. At least with G1 when older characters were brought back they were in their original form and colors and accents.....looking at you Jetfire....
Somehow cracked the pin housing on one of the grey shoulder tabs on menasor so now it not only barely holds on to the piece, but you can't get the leverage to transform it anymore.
I'd return it but I don't want to deal with the hassel of mailing it back.
EDIT: The cracked half fell off, but it gave me room to manuever the piece into it's proper place so I can transform him now. It's not 100% stable, but it's surprisingly not as flimsy as I'd expect.
I'd return it but I don't want to deal with the hassel of mailing it back.
EDIT: The cracked half fell off, but it gave me room to manuever the piece into it's proper place so I can transform him now. It's not 100% stable, but it's surprisingly not as flimsy as I'd expect.
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Armada does so much right. Everyone talks about The Unicron Battles but it starts getting better way before that.
Energon starts off so interesting that it retroactively makes Armada better. I have reboot fatigue at this point. It's hard to get attached to a new generation knowing the reset button is coming as soon as they win. Armada is more interesting knowing their struggles did build a future, and we get to see it. And then we get the threat of Megatron rebuilding his army and tearing it all back apart, and the dilemma of ex-Decepticons wondering whether to rejoin the old gang or stick with whatever place they've managed to find in a post-war world. God on paper the premise is so good. What happened?
This is unfortunately common. It seems like they got the pin sizing wrong.
Energon starts off so interesting that it retroactively makes Armada better. I have reboot fatigue at this point. It's hard to get attached to a new generation knowing the reset button is coming as soon as they win. Armada is more interesting knowing their struggles did build a future, and we get to see it. And then we get the threat of Megatron rebuilding his army and tearing it all back apart, and the dilemma of ex-Decepticons wondering whether to rejoin the old gang or stick with whatever place they've managed to find in a post-war world. God on paper the premise is so good. What happened?
This is unfortunately common. It seems like they got the pin sizing wrong.
It's funny you mention that since I recently came across a short Japanese DVD promo for Galaxy Force released ahead of the series's premiere in Japan that seems to clarify some things about its relationship to the previous two series.
First, this promo attempts to bridge the gap between Superlink and Galaxy Force by explicitly using footage (some of which looks completely new and original, rather than recycled existing footage) from both Superlink and Legends of the Microns to represent the past history of Galaxy Force's universe, with narration from Galaxy Convoy talking about how peace has finally been achieved after so much fierce fighting in battles, only for a new crisis to arise with the appearance of the black hole.
Second, Galaxy Convoy refers to himself in this promo as the "new" Supreme Commander, the Autobots' "new" leader, as if to say that, while keeping in mind the idea of Galaxy Force being the same universe as LOTM and Superlink, Galaxy Convoy is still not the same person as the Convoy/Grand Convoy from those first two series, but rather his successor. This would also lend credence to notion of Exillion, Dreadrock, Guardshell, and First Aid also all being separate individuals from Hot Rod/Hot Shot, Jetfire/Skyfire, Landmine, and Ratchet (I'm using all the Japanese names here since I am specifically talking about the original Japanese versions of these shows, not their English dubs).
However, the promo also talks about Master Megatron. Namely, it describes him as having "returned from Hell", specifically using the word "Jigoku" or Hell in reference to the place in Japanese mythology where evil people go when they die. At the end of Superlink, Galvatron did die when he plunged himself into the energon sun, and this Galaxy Force promo treats Master Megatron as the very same Emperor of Destruction having returned from the dead. Likewise, Starscream is implied by a second Galaxy Force promo to have also "returned from Hell" like Master Megatron, which also matches up with Nightscream dying with Galvatron in Superlink.
In the end, with all of this information taken into account, it would seem that Galaxy Force was indeed always set in the same world as Legends of the Microns and Superlink after all, with Master Megatron and Galvatron having returned from the dead, BUT with the caveat of all of the familiar-looking Autobots actually being all-new characters, explaining why some of them behave so differently. And because they were all new characters, Hasbro's attempts to make them be those same familiar people in the English version caused quite a mess of things, especially with all of them (minus Optimus) having their voice actors recast.