"Pitch Meeting" video, lampooning ROTB is below (spoilers).
Transformers: Rise of the Beasts
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My issue isn't that he looks different it's that his head/face looks genuinely bad and gets rid of of one of the most unique head designs in all of Transformers. (Seriously, its a dude with no mouth who's head fins glow when he talks. Nobody else does that!) and I likely wouldn't even care as much if they hadn't nailed that in the Bumblebee movie.
But like I said, he's Wheeljack whether you like him or not, calling him "Pablo" ain't going to change that. Especially given his tiny role in the film.
Why are you so surprised, the movies have been pretty much all over the place from the begining, even this film is like that, the scene that leads to the Autobots and Maximals meeting each other, your going from a urabn area to the middle of nowhere, rather quickly!
It's probably easiest to just consider this guy a different Wheeljack, while the one in the Bumblebee movie goes on to become Que.
Much like how the Mirage in this movie is now considered a separate guy from Dino.
I don't consider the Bay films to be in canon with the non-Bay ones, so that's not an issue for me.
If they want to put out a movie that makes the connection absolutely solid, then sure, but until that point I'm not holding anything from the Bay movies as necessary to consider for these new ones.
Otherwise we wind up with a situation where Unicron is being summoned to Earth, which is actually Unicron, by way of a transwarp portal device, while a DIFFERENT portal device capable of teleporting a planet is hanging out on the moon at the same time, and that's just silly.
Though it'd funny if it was all canon and Unicron suceeded in eating Earth, because he'd also be eating the Allspark, the Matrix of Leadership, the solar harvester, the Knight's spaceship, Quintessa's staff, Megatron, the Seekers, a bunch of cyberformed dinosaurs, the Knights, and himself.
if he also ate the moon for dessert he'd also nab Sentinal Prime, a bunch of Decepticons, the Ark and the space bridge.
If they want to put out a movie that makes the connection absolutely solid, then sure, but until that point I'm not holding anything from the Bay movies as necessary to consider for these new ones.
Otherwise we wind up with a situation where Unicron is being summoned to Earth, which is actually Unicron, by way of a transwarp portal device, while a DIFFERENT portal device capable of teleporting a planet is hanging out on the moon at the same time, and that's just silly.
Though it'd funny if it was all canon and Unicron suceeded in eating Earth, because he'd also be eating the Allspark, the Matrix of Leadership, the solar harvester, the Knight's spaceship, Quintessa's staff, Megatron, the Seekers, a bunch of cyberformed dinosaurs, the Knights, and himself.
if he also ate the moon for dessert he'd also nab Sentinal Prime, a bunch of Decepticons, the Ark and the space bridge.
That is a good possabilty!
The thing that kind of bugs me about these live action movies, is that the Autobots have no way home, its stated in the Rise of the Beasts, OP's plan was to regroup on Earth, yet it doesn't seem like a well thought through plan, they got no base, no ships, nothing aside from a single Autobot who can fly, in the Prime Cartoon the Autobots built a base with aid from humans and had the means to travelling across the planet via ground bridge and a similar bridge was used back in Armada, thou they then built a space ship to get back to Cybertron, while in Prime, I think OP's plan was to evenly capture the Nemesis and use that to go back to Cybertron, thou things took aroundabout route, so I wonder what the heck is movie Prime, plan, I kind of hope if they green light a sequel to this, OP has a confrontation with a fellow Autobot about this issue, if they can make movie Optimus Prime someone who pretty much a field commander type leader, have another Autobot who actually questions his leadership and what their actual plan is in the long run aside from hiding in plain sight!
I know I just went on a spell about pre and post bay continuity, but maybe Optimus was waiting for others to show up and bring a ship with them, like how the second wave autobots apparently came aboard the Xantium.
I don't consider the Bay films to be in canon with the non-Bay ones, so that's not an issue for me.
If they want to put out a movie that makes the connection absolutely solid, then sure, but until that point I'm not holding anything from the Bay movies as necessary to consider for these new ones.
Otherwise we wind up with a situation where Unicron is being summoned to Earth, which is actually Unicron, by way of a transwarp portal device, while a DIFFERENT portal device capable of teleporting a planet is hanging out on the moon at the same time, and that's just silly.
Though it'd funny if it was all canon and Unicron suceeded in eating Earth, because he'd also be eating the Allspark, the Matrix of Leadership, the solar harvester, the Knight's spaceship, Quintessa's staff, Megatron, the Seekers, a bunch of cyberformed dinosaurs, the Knights, and himself.
if he also ate the moon for dessert he'd also nab Sentinal Prime, a bunch of Decepticons, the Ark and the space bridge.
I mean, these are all the reasons I want them connected. Its bonkers. Give it to me.
It's implied that the Maximals came from the future, so the Unicron seen in this movie would likewise be from the future. Which suggests that, at some point after TLK, he escapes his confines within the Earth and becomes his own separate entity from it, complete with a new planet-eating body of his own.
Him wanting to eat the Earth may not merely result in him just consuming his past self, but may rather result in him merging with his past self to become even more powerful.
And all those Cybertronian relics and MacGuffins buried within the Earth would be like energy-boosting candy to him, making him even more extra super-duper powerful.
Him wanting to eat the Earth may not merely result in him just consuming his past self, but may rather result in him merging with his past self to become even more powerful.
And all those Cybertronian relics and MacGuffins buried within the Earth would be like energy-boosting candy to him, making him even more extra super-duper powerful.
We've had Unicron plots that make a lot less sense than that.
I want this to happen now. Tie it all together. Go full bonkers.
I want this to happen now. Tie it all together. Go full bonkers.
Unicron is defeated by the power of a laminated Romeo & Juliet Laws card.
I mean, it would have been a great opportunity to get Airrazor a robot mode, too, but if they didn't have the budget for that, there's no way they'd be able to pull off what you're suggesting.
All that aside, though? I'm for it.
It's funny.
I like James Bond.
I love Back to the Future, and the characters within it.
I love Wheeljack.
I do not love Wheeljack as Doc Brown with a James Bond name. Can't even begin to tell you why.
Maybe cuz he's actually Albert Einstein instead of Christopher Lloyd.
Its why i get mad when people shriek REBOOT. All it takes is one decently constructed movie and its fine. Its one of the highest grossing franchises of all time, I'd hate to "lose" that history.
Also, time travel shenanigans can "easily" explain all the wonkiness that's in the last knight and the inconsistencies between movies. The timeline is in flux, yadda yadda, AND (if they wanted) we could come out of it with a new "universe" like Abram's first star trek movie.
Its not impossible, they just have to *want* to do it.
So if anybody is reading this...
Glad to see I'm not the only one who wants a Directors Cut with alternate dialogue and additional scenes but I wonder if what we want actually was the plan before Hasbro took scissors to it, I read an rumour a month ago that insiders were concerned it was a mess.
It may be expensive but it is possible, Alien 3, The Watchmen, Justice League are good examples of films improved in that way and while it would mostly be for fans, a DVD extra 'the story so far' would probably help for anyone else interested (plus forcing Michael Bay to narrate it to explain himself would be a bonus).
It may be expensive but it is possible, Alien 3, The Watchmen, Justice League are good examples of films improved in that way and while it would mostly be for fans, a DVD extra 'the story so far' would probably help for anyone else interested (plus forcing Michael Bay to narrate it to explain himself would be a bonus).