Transformers: Rise of the Beasts

Undead Scottsman

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It's not a kids film though? It's PG-13, as in it has themes and content that may not be suitable for children 13 and under.

I know that's dumb for a franchise based on a childs toyline (though how many R rated movies in the 80's got kids toylines.. Terminator, Robocop, Alien/s) but they slap those ratings on film for a reason; Specifcially "intense sequences of sci-fi action and violence, and langauge"
 

The Predaking

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It's not a kids film though? It's PG-13, as in it has themes and content that may not be suitable for children 13 and under.

I know that's dumb for a franchise based on a childs toyline (though how many R rated movies in the 80's got kids toylines.. Terminator, Robocop, Alien/s) but they slap those ratings on film for a reason; Specifcially "intense sequences of sci-fi action and violence, and langauge"
Well, I don't know the rating, but I have seen all the previous TF films, and none of them have this level of gratuitous and pointless cursing in them. Someone else did a count of around 30 instances of cursing in the film. And Like I said, most of it is pointless cursing in the soundtrack. It's not like Optimus is saying, "Scourge, you mother @#$@##! I will rip out your D@!# spark through your @**#0113!". It's just pointless cursing in the soundtrack, like the film is a 14 year-old boy trying to look cool. As I said, I have no issues with it when it's part of the dialog and makes sense. But here it's not, hence why I bring it up in my review as it seriously detracts from the film.
 

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It's not a kids film though? It's PG-13, as in it has themes and content that may not be suitable for children 13 and under.

I know that's dumb for a franchise based on a childs toyline (though how many R rated movies in the 80's got kids toylines.. Terminator, Robocop, Alien/s) but they slap those ratings on film for a reason; Specifcially "intense sequences of sci-fi action and violence, and langauge"
Could be worse; Guardians of the Galaxy 3 had an f-bomb for no good reason, immediately making it irrelevant to many parents (and some teachers) all over the world.
 

Undead Scottsman

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Could be worse; Guardians of the Galaxy 3 had an f-bomb for no good reason, immediately making it irrelevant to many parents (and some teachers) all over the world.

I feel like if a f-bomb is the reason you're not feeling good about showing that film to kids, and not, you know, the excessive violence and murder, you have some oddball priorities.
 

PrimalxConvoy

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I feel like if a f-bomb is the reason you're not feeling good about showing that film to kids, and not, you know, the excessive violence and murder, you have some oddball priorities.

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The violence in that particular film was also alarming (the casual killing of an entire planet and the body horror stuff especially). However, as we were discussing language, I thought it was relevant to focus on that.
 
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MrBlud

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That Guardians 3 f-bomb was perfectly used, absolutely made the scene it was in, and still managed a PG-13 as you’re allowed 1 before “R”.
 

Sabrblade

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ROTF, DOTM, and AOE were all excessively violent, at times downright gory, when it came to the robot fights. Heck, DOTM had Decepticons gunning down scores of human civilians, turning them into piles of flaming skulls. AOE Even had the infamous murder of Lucas, with him being into a smoldering corpse that the camera zoomed in on and lingered on way too long. That movie was even the one where the Autobots featured kill-happy psychos obsessed with murder, with Hound and Crosshairs especially expressing their desire to maim and kill things all throughout that movie.
 

Undead Scottsman

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That Guardians 3 f-bomb was perfectly used, absolutely made the scene it was in, and still managed a PG-13 as you’re allowed 1 before “R”.
I feel like this Penny Arcade strip is going to be oddly prescient. (Langauge warning)

 

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I will probably let my 5 year old son watch Jaws before I let him watch any of the Transformers movies (possible exception for Bumblebee, but Dropkick's offing of various humans might keep it on the wait-til-yer-older shelf). Not that there aren't moments that I enjoy, and we can always watch selected scenes from the movies without watching the whole thing(done that already with Raiders of the Lost Ark and Tremors), but they simply aren't that kid-friendly.
 

Sabrblade

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I'm kind of hoping that the overwhelming success of the Super Mario Bros movie might send a strong enough message to folks like Hasbro and Paramount that they don't need to be overly indulgent in hard PG-13 content for their movies based on a nostalgic 1980s children's toy property to be both successful and lovingly enjoyed by all ages.
 

Superomegaprime

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I'm kind of hoping that the overwhelming success of the Super Mario Bros movie might send a strong enough message to folks like Hasbro and Paramount that they don't need to be overly indulgent in hard PG-13 content for their movies based on a nostalgic 1980s children's toy property to be both successful and lovingly enjoyed by all ages.

Yeah but it also depends what their take away on the Barbie movie is, sure they aren't making it but, it seems to be doing well at the box office and that could have a bit of affect upon what they do, thou with Mario, everything has to be pretty much run by Ninendo as they are very protective of their IPs and want to avoid another 90s Mario movie!
 

MrBlud

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Michael Bay’s five movies already “poisoned the well” for Transformers as far as audience expectation goes. They’ll look for the three V’s, vulgarity, violence, visuals.

If you stray from that (like Bumblebee) EVEN IF you’re the better movie (like Bumblebee) you’re going to underperform (like Bumblebee) because that’s not what audiences have been conditioned to want from a Transformers movie.
 

Steevy Maximus

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Michael Bay’s five movies already “poisoned the well” for Transformers as far as audience expectation goes. They’ll look for the three V’s, vulgarity, violence, visuals.

If you stray from that (like Bumblebee) EVEN IF you’re the better movie (like Bumblebee) you’re going to underperform (like Bumblebee) because that’s not what audiences have been conditioned to want from a Transformers movie.
Like I said back when it came out: I think Rise of the Beasts did an excellent job balancing those audience expectations while not indulging to baser elements the “Bay films” frequently gravitated towards. And I think the improved US box office is reflective of that.


Speaking of Box Office…Despite getting chopped down to 322 locations, the per location average is still surprisingly strong. The film could easily mosey along for a couple more weeks, though I think domestic gross is going to land somewhere around $157 million. Worldwide still has yet to see reports from Japan and I’m sure some markets are slow in reporting, but I expect the film to putter out around $440 million.
I’m already seeing some sites calling the film a failure, but I think that analysis lacks context: While the world wide gross will end up less than Bumblebee (around $468 million in 2018), I still don’t feel it “fair” to call this one a failure.

This is the first post-Covid franchise release in a market that is STILL not as robust as it was in 2018/19. While the WW numbers are going to be about $30 million less than BB (itself not even marketed as a Transformers film, which may have been a factor), the US domestic numbers is going to be $30 million better than BB’s result. And that doesn’t factor in the back end from streaming purchase and rentals, the inevitable physical media sales, or the ancillary licensing or toy royalties.

What makes Transformers come off as even LESS a failure is the broader market comparison. This summer has been a KILLING FIELD for major film releases. In terms of the US domestic box office, even films that “made more money” are coming out behind thanks to massive budgets. Fast X crashed to $150 million (though, the HUGE international results may offset that). Elemental, Ruby Gillman, and Indiana Jones join Flash in being certifiable flops and even The Little Mermaid is only on track to break even.

Could Transformers be called a “disappointment”? Probably. Relative to the competition? I think Paramount would rather a Transformers level disappointment compared to Indiana Jones or Flash.
 

Superomegaprime

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What makes Transformers come off as even LESS a failure is the broader market comparison. This summer has been a KILLING FIELD for major film releases. In terms of the US domestic box office, even films that “made more money” are coming out behind thanks to massive budgets. Fast X crashed to $150 million (though, the HUGE international results may offset that). Elemental, Ruby Gillman, and Indiana Jones join Flash in being certifiable flops and even The Little Mermaid is only on track to break even.

Could Transformers be called a “disappointment”? Probably. Relative to the competition? I think Paramount would rather a Transformers level disappointment compared to Indiana Jones or Flash.

Killing field, it pretty much seems like Highlander, but then Indi 5 was expected to flop, while the Flash was expected to make some money but, it underwelmed rapidly, the other releases from Disney haven't done well, from what I gathered in total of looses in cinemas this past year, its amounting to over a billion dollars, so really, its been a crowded summer and a lot of subpar stuff and people chosing to spend their money carefully, thou I know the surprise hit was Sound of Freedom and that's going to come out in the international markets over the next couple of weeks, of course, Disney is likely kicking themselves with that film as it was meant to be a Fox release and they opted not to release it and bury it, but not deep enough! With Transformers, its hard to say if its truly a disapointment with a couple of markets yet to open, but it has made its money back, sure it never set the box office on fire, thou some stuff in the film should of been left on the cutting room floor and to be honest, some of the lines are kind of cringy, mainly from the human cast in my view, of course, I also think, the film kind of lacked a bit of a idenity to really make it stand out from what come before, so I think going forwards, Paramount would be wise to keep the budget tight and maybe slightly less than ROTB of course, focusing primarily upon the robot cast would help, even in the final battle, have one v one fights instead of battling armies of mindless drones, but that simply my view.
 


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