A Long Time Ago In a Galaxy Far, Far Away.... - Star Wars General Discussion

[Axaday]

I didn't mean how long has he been in comics. I meant how long has he been pirating. It would help address whether it was a Dread Pirate Roberts thing.

But I forgot he had another captain name. If he had inherited the famous Crimson Jack name, he probably wouldn't go by Captain Silva.

 

[Dake]

Oh yeah, I fully expect a DPR situation.

 

[Axaday]

Jude Law is 51 and looks it. You can wiggle a little, but he was surely a grownup when the Republic fell. He COULD be a force sensitive that was never identified. He could be a Palawan washout like Osha. My favorite idea that I thought of is that he's like Cade. Just quit being a Jedi and decided to be a scoundrel. Not fallen to the Dark Side like Dooku. Not doing whatever Baylan Skoll did. Just the Republic fell and he got away and no one trusts the Jedi and he just threw up his hands and said, "Screw it then. I'm gonna take care of me."

 

[Dake]

Yeah - any of that is perfectly reasonable.

On another topic, if we don't get live-action Hondo in this I'm going to be very disappointed.

 

[Axaday]

When Empire was new, Yoda does a heel turn when eating soup and it seems like he was acting silly until then for some important purpose, but I don't really feel like I understand it. For the audience it is a surprising revelation, but in character I don't know what is going on. The prequels only make it more stark. How are we meant to view Yoda fighting R2 for a little snack?

 

[Ultra Magnus13]

When Empire was new, Yoda does a heel turn when eating soup and it seems like he was acting silly until then for some important purpose, but I don't really feel like I understand it. For the audience it is a surprising revelation, but in character I don't know what is going on. The prequels only make it more stark. How are we meant to view Yoda fighting R2 for a little snack?

He was testing Luke to see how he treated a weird little swamp man vs an exalted Jedi Master.

 

[Donocropolis]

He was testing Luke to see how he treated a weird little swamp man vs an exalted Jedi Master.

Exactly. This is, after all, Vader's son. Yoda wanted to know Luke's character, so seeing how Luke would treat a harmless and unimportant but annoying person would reveal a lot.

 

[Axaday]

I did consider that. But did Luke pass that test? Maybe just over the line? I mean, he didn't try to kill him and he didn't dismiss him. He did accept help from him, but wasn't especially respectful and certainly didn't consider it possible that he was the Jedi master. It could have been a lot worse, but he didn't do great.

When Yoda, perhaps rhetorically, says he can't train him it doesn't seem to be because of his treatment, but just because Luke seems to have a lot of wrong ideas too long held.

 

[Donocropolis]

I get the feeling that, if they hadn't been interrupted by Ghost-bi-Wan, that Yoda maybe had planned to keep stringing Luke along for a good long while to really get to know him and test him. He had promised to take Luke to Yoda, so maybe he was going to maybe lead Luke around in circles through the swamp for a while, test his limits? Maybe even slowly start breaking down Luke's wrong ideas here and there (the "wars not make one great" line is a good example of him starting to slip in bits of wisdom that challenge Luke's current worldview without him even realizing that that's whats going on).

 

[Dake]

I did consider that. But did Luke pass that test? Maybe just over the line? I mean, he didn't try to kill him and he didn't dismiss him. He did accept help from him, but wasn't especially respectful and certainly didn't consider it possible that he was the Jedi master. It could have been a lot worse, but he didn't do great.

When Yoda, perhaps rhetorically, says he can't train him it doesn't seem to be because of his treatment, but just because Luke seems to have a lot of wrong ideas too long held.

You answered your own question. He DIDN'T pass. It's only Obi-wan interceding that changes Yoda"s mind.

 

[CoffeeHorse]

Also keep in mind that while Yoda was being evasive, he was never directly misleading.

"Help you, I can."

He could in fact help, and Luke dismissed the offer. I wonder if Yoda was even planning on trolling before that point.

"Take you to him, I will."

He did indeed take Luke straight to Yoda's house without any apparent shenanigans along the way.

"Patience. For the jedi, it is time to eat as well."

I mean, he did know for a fact that it was Yoda's dinner time. No lie there.

 

[Shadewing]

I partly think that just being alone in a swamp for 20ish years probably left him a bit more eccentric; as even when he shows up in the ST he's still kinda trolling with his advice/wisdom.

 

[Ultra Magnus13]

I partly think that just being alone in a swamp for 20ish years probably left him a bit more eccentric; as even when he shows up in the ST he's still kinda trolling with his advice/wisdom.

One of my favorite bits of Last Jedi is that we get some of kooky Yoda, I kind of wish we got more of Yoda undulating between serious wise master, and silly little green man in the prequel movies.

 

[Axaday]

One of my favorite bits of Last Jedi is that we get some of kooky Yoda, I kind of wish we got more of Yoda undulating between serious wise master, and silly little green man in the prequel movies.

Yes, I think it was a mistake not to. He let his hair down a little when he was with the Younglings at the start of Episode 2, I feel like. But not much. He should have been really silly and funny with them. But I'm glad we at least had that scene to let us know he doesn't spend his whole day in a chair looking across at Eeth Koth and Sasae Teen.

 

[Shadewing]

Yoda really is at his best when he's mischievous and wise at the same time. But then I've always like the trope that wise doesn't mean serious.

 

[Dake]

Yes, I think it was a mistake not to. He let his hair down a little when he was with the Younglings at the start of Episode 2, I feel like. But not much. He should have been really silly and funny with them. But I'm glad we at least had that scene to let us know he doesn't spend his whole day in a chair looking across at Eeth Koth and Sasae Teen.

Remember, if he was 900 years old in ESB, he was still 860 and change in the Prequels. Kids are exhausting so he probably looked forward to quiet time sitting in the council chamber. An old man's gotta pace himself!

 

[Axaday]

Remember, if he was 900 years old in ESB, he was still 860 and change in the Prequels. Kids are exhausting so he probably looked forward to quiet time sitting in the council chamber. An old man's gotta pace himself!

He was around 900 in ESB and RotJ. We had seen him using a cane before, but he was plenty able bodied. He's suddenly in bed in RotJ and up and dies. The joke that he died because Luke was asking so many question is funny. In the writers' room, they probably needed to explain why Yoda wasn't going along to confront the Emperor or why Luke was now a Knight that would be standing on his own feet going forward.

In universe he may have just gotten sick. An elderly person can be in pretty good shape as long as they stay away from he wrong germs and then go down fast. It could be that Episode 4 gives us the key to interpreting it. Luke is ready to go do this big thing and Yoda will be more helpful as a Force ghost than he would be in person. Or it could be that freaking Ryan Johnson gave us the key. Maybe Yoda has already been meddling in things off world and run himself out of steam.

 

[Shadewing]

I do kinda like the idea that Yoda might have been meddling off screen. He knows he couldn't take Palpatine on, on a good day; so finding other smaller ways to help or interfer while keeping off radar feels kinda on brand for him. He's from a very long lived race and is always teaching patience. It makes sense to me he'd try doing small things and hope they pay off in the long run.

 

[Axaday]

What would actually happen if Yoda went? I guess he probably wouldn't have been able to get access to the throne room?

 

[Axaday]

The 4th installment of Skeleton Crew I could have done without. Most of the way through the episode I was expecting it to be a totally throw away episode, but I guess they didn't get away yet and it might be a central part of the plot.