Nobody has the intention to invade Ukraine
- Thread starter Nevermore
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Yeah, I get the sentiments behind those who've been making parallels between this and Bush invading Iraq (especially in terms of how the rest of the world responded), but they are also not literally the same in all aspects. Bush wasn't trying to make Iraq the 51st state, and Putin isn't going to "liberate" Ukraine's oil industry and then declare Mission Accomplished.
I asked the same question, pretty much verbatim, when my boss discussed this with me yesterday.
https://www.reuters.com/business/en...n-gas-must-be-paid-roubles-friday-2022-03-31/
Russia supplies about a third of Europe's gas, so if that flow is halted Europe will be facing an energy crisis.
If the flow continues there will be a direct flow of rubles into Russia, strengthening their economy and undermining the sanctions against Russia.
Will the, so-called "unfriendly" countries stand firm against this invasion attempt when it begins to directly impact them?
~L~
https://www.reuters.com/business/en...n-gas-must-be-paid-roubles-friday-2022-03-31/
Russia supplies about a third of Europe's gas, so if that flow is halted Europe will be facing an energy crisis.
If the flow continues there will be a direct flow of rubles into Russia, strengthening their economy and undermining the sanctions against Russia.
Will the, so-called "unfriendly" countries stand firm against this invasion attempt when it begins to directly impact them?
~L~
Slight aside, but given this is a generally left-leaning forum, I’m relieved that I’ve not seen any pro-Russia, “it’s neoliberal EU/imperialist NATO’s fault” missives and rants here, unlike every UK based forum I frequent.
This forum also has a rather high anti-athoritarian bent and Putin is the very definition of an athoritarian.
About what you'd expect from a invasion that publicly intended to solve the "Ukrainian Question" and an army that has institutionalized serial abuse and hazing issues (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina). So the Wehrmacht and Imperial Japanese Army rolled into one, but with none of their lethal competence
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EU must discuss import ban on Russian gas, Germany says
Germany has so far resisted calls to impose an embargo on energy imports from Russia, saying its economy and that of other European countries are too dependent on them.
www.reuters.com
In response to evidence of war crimes, Germany (or at least one German politician) is starting to consider banning imports of Russian gas.
Any day now, Germany.
Any day now.
Any day now.
When a politician says "discuss", what they mean is "we don't plan to actually do anything but we want the voters to THINK we will".
Is there an election between now and when any intelligent person would realize "If they were gonna do it, they would have done it by now"?
Oh, who am I kidding; our Democrats have been holding literally every issue over their voters' heads for decades and no one's caught on yet.
Oh, who am I kidding; our Democrats have been holding literally every issue over their voters' heads for decades and no one's caught on yet.
The consequences of relentless Russian propaganda:
- This past weekend, there was a rally by 900 people in Berlin, Germany in support of Putin. One completely nutty person proudly proclaimed that he had "absolutely no problem" with bombing hospitals and children's daycares, while another guy insisted the civilians executed in Bucha were actually killed by the Ukrainians themselves in order to blame it on Russia. "It's a known fact!"
- Meanwhile, there are indications that Putin has become the victim of his own propaganda. Since he went into this war with an absolutely batshit maximum objective, he's now reportedly worried that he cannot backtrack on that because otherwise there might be massive pro-war (!) rallies in Russia if he were to concede on some of his initial demands.
- This past weekend, there was a rally by 900 people in Berlin, Germany in support of Putin. One completely nutty person proudly proclaimed that he had "absolutely no problem" with bombing hospitals and children's daycares, while another guy insisted the civilians executed in Bucha were actually killed by the Ukrainians themselves in order to blame it on Russia. "It's a known fact!"
- Meanwhile, there are indications that Putin has become the victim of his own propaganda. Since he went into this war with an absolutely batshit maximum objective, he's now reportedly worried that he cannot backtrack on that because otherwise there might be massive pro-war (!) rallies in Russia if he were to concede on some of his initial demands.
Putin has jammed himself up in an unsolvable Sunk Cost Fallacy.
He cannot win this war he's started, he just doesn't have the competence or the resources to accomplish his objective.
He will not concede defeat, whether it is because he truly believes what he has done is right or because he is terrified of showing any form of weakness to his supporters.
As horrible as it is for everybody involved the only option Putin has is to keep grinding until every resource is depleted and every ally is gone.
(That said, I don't think I'm alone in wishing for the unreasonable option for Russia to withdraw and take whatever comeuppance is coming.)
~L~
He cannot win this war he's started, he just doesn't have the competence or the resources to accomplish his objective.
He will not concede defeat, whether it is because he truly believes what he has done is right or because he is terrified of showing any form of weakness to his supporters.
As horrible as it is for everybody involved the only option Putin has is to keep grinding until every resource is depleted and every ally is gone.
(That said, I don't think I'm alone in wishing for the unreasonable option for Russia to withdraw and take whatever comeuppance is coming.)
~L~
