New OTOY Video!
Awesome! Just pure awesome!
Awesome! Just pure awesome!
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Is... that the virus episode? Where a bearded guy kept dying? In Tuvok's memory, where the virus appears as a girl who dies or something?
Missed that. Who was it? Or I can recheck.
I'm about to catch up, hehe
Got to see Star Trek Generations. The thing is, I saw this in cinemas and I kinda wasn't impressed.
I thought Kirk's death from falling wasn't big or cool enough.
Data with emotions seemed like a TV side plot.
The ribbon bringing you to a heaven type but also let's you go back to the real world at any time is too powerful. I don't recall a limitation but Kirk could have gone back to the time when Malcolm McDowell first got ribboned and maybe saved everybody in that incident. Or something.
Worf on the boat was great tho, hehe
Three to go.
Yup! Also, the LT was the Yoman from the original series.
Christian Slater. He was a big actor in the 80s and 90s, and apparently a huge Trek fan and just wanted to be in the final film.
They redid his death. Originally he was going to get shot in the back at the end of the film, instead they gave him this ending, which I like better for Kirk. Kirks die to save people.
Sam Kirk dies to save his family and his colony.
David Kirk dies to save Savik.
James Kirk dies to save hundreds of millions of people in the Viridian system as well as the crew of the Enterprise D. And he knows going for that device to uncloak the missile means death, but he does it anyways. There is a great OTOY video of Shatner talking about that scene that just came out this week.
Yeah, that is a huge plot point. Why not just pop out of the ribbon a month earlier and tell you past self about this evil plot?
That was done intentionally. See it leaked out to the newsletters and fandom that they were bringing Spock back. So to compensate for this major spoiler, they decided to shock the audience by blowing up the Enterprise.
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I am sure that there is a lot of beta cannon answers for that. However, canon wise, we don't know much. Just what Kirk says at the beginning of 6 when he is arguing with Spock.
I will have to rewatch it tonight and see what he says, but it isn't much.
Ok, so what Kirk says to Spock at the start of the last film is that the crew is due to stand down in three months that they "did their bit for king and country". So apparently, they did complete their shake-down cruise and their 5-year mission as they were already back and preparing for retirement. Scotty had already bought a boat.
Well, the thing is that the class was designed to be upgradable, and it was just constantly upgraded for decades, while Star Fleet played around with other classes of ships like the Constellation and the Ambassador. So the Excelsior and the Miranda class ships just became the work horses of Star fleet with no need to replace them as the Romulans were in hiding and the Klingons and Federation were allies now with free reign to enter each other's space.
One thing that also contributes to this is something that was said by the top brass in the meeting at the beginning of ST6. At this point TNG was going strong, and the writers actually wrote this nice clever line of dialog into it to explain why Star Fleet was so different in TNG than it was in TOS and the TOS films.
"Bill are we talking about Mothballing the Star Fleet?"
"I am sure that our exploration and Scientific programs would be unaffected captain but...."
That is what happens to Star Fleet. They turn from a military focused organization to one of Exploration and Scientific research. They just keep upgrading their existing ships while slowly building some low production runs of newer classes that aren't really needed during their golden age.
There is an ongoing fan concept that the Enterprise was always the flagship and I don't remember that anything bears it out before Enterprise-D. There may be a line of dialog somewhere, but during TOS, the Enterprise was out exploring, though individual episodes show it was able to come to home systems. By Star Trek 2 it was ferrying cadets and apparently not on active service for reasons that aren't explained. In Star Trek 6, it feels like the flagship, but then it is to be mothballed right after the movie.
In TOS, its one of 13 ships of the line. The Constitution class was a big deal and the Enterprise and her crew had some famous adventures. Famous enough that Star Fleet took their ship's insignia as their own. It wasn't the Federation flagship in TOS but it was a top of the line ship. When the ship came back after its voyage with Kirk, the class had transitioned to being built as the retrofitted version. So, they took the most famous ship of the original and spent months rebuilding it into the version we see in TMP. It was maybe considered the flagship then, but that doesn't mean it wasn't used for training still. Just like in the dominion war, they didn't risk the Enterprise E on anything dangerous.
That is a fan explanation of a changed premise and it has been undone. Discovery used that insignia 10 years before Kirk commanded the Enterprise.
Some time after Decker left, Spock became the Captain of the Enterprise and it doesn't appear that it went on any adventures.
Where is that coming from? I think they made a few references to their time in the Dominion War. They just weren't the main characters of the show that was running at the time.
The third TNG film is during the Dominion War, and Star Fleet has the Enterprise E going around doing diplomatic missions.
Well, Discovery is what it is. Maybe the temporal war made that change.
Alliances need to be forged during times of war. Having Picard, one of the best diplomats in Starfleet, helping during negotiations while simultaneously showing the might of Starleet's engineering prowess could be quite a convincing to potential allies.
And there are a few non-canon novels following the Enterprise during the war. Notably, they were with the fleet that liberated Betazed.